From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: [drew.adams@oracle.com: No doc for cl stuff even after loading cl?] Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1147574426 3576 80.91.229.2 (14 May 2006 02:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 02:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 14 04:40:24 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ff6Wt-0001Dw-IH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 04:40:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ff6Ws-0002GU-VW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 22:40:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ff6W4-0001jB-Hi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 22:39:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ff6W3-0001ij-OE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 22:39:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ff6W3-0001id-Il for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 22:39:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ff6Y9-0001wL-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 22:41:41 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Ff6W2-0005gE-Fp; Sat, 13 May 2006 22:39:30 -0400 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:54420 Archived-At: I agree that this is a bug. Can someone work on it, then ack? ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: "Drew Adams" To: "Emacs-Pretest-Bug" Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 10:48:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: No doc for cl stuff even after loading cl? X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 emacs -Q C-h f flet finds no match. Normal M-x load-library cl C-h f flet then gives this: flet is an autoloaded Lisp macro in `cl-macs'. [Arg list not available until function definition is loaded.] Not documented. That doesn't seem right. What's a user to do, chase down the various cl libraries (in this case cl-macs.el, presumably) in order to get doc? If a user is asking for doc, we should give it to him/her, instead of saying that is not available until the function definition is loaded. This looks like Emacs is deliberately being uncooperative, making the user jump through hoops to get what s?he asks for. If we want to avoid loading large libraries, then perhaps we should split off the doc in such cases so we can provide it without loading everything. In GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2006-03-20 on W2ONE X server distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --cflags -Id:/g/include' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1252 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: encoded-kbd-mode: t tooltip-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t unify-8859-on-encoding-mode: t utf-translate-cjk-mode: t line-number-mode: t Recent input: u u M-v C-h f f l e t C-g M-x l o a d - l i b c l C-h f f l e t Recent messages: Making completion list... [3 times] Quit [2 times] Loading info... Loading easymenu...done Loading info...done Composing main Info directory...done Quit [2 times] Loading cl...done Type C-x 1 to remove help window. Loading emacsbug...done _______________________________________________ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug ------- End of forwarded message -------