* Emacs Manual topics to remove? @ 2006-03-12 15:45 Richard Stallman 2006-03-12 20:26 ` Chong Yidong 2006-03-12 23:14 ` Jesper Harder 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-12 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) The Emacs Manual is getting bigger and bigger. Could you suggest some topics to move into the emacs-xtras manual, which we distribute only on line? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-12 15:45 Emacs Manual topics to remove? Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-12 20:26 ` Chong Yidong 2006-03-12 22:24 ` Nick Roberts 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman 2006-03-12 23:14 ` Jesper Harder 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2006-03-12 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes: > The Emacs Manual is getting bigger and bigger. Could you suggest > some topics to move into the emacs-xtras manual, which we distribute > only on line? I think emerge, picture, the more advanced parts of calendar/diary, and rmail can be moved into emacs-xtras. The chapter on Fortran mode can be moved out too -- there's no reason to have a chapter on Fortran in Emacs, when there isn't one on Perl, Python, or other (nowadays) more common languages. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-12 20:26 ` Chong Yidong @ 2006-03-12 22:24 ` Nick Roberts 2006-03-13 0:23 ` Chong Yidong ` (2 more replies) 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 3 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2006-03-12 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: rms, emacs-devel > > > The Emacs Manual is getting bigger and bigger. Could you suggest > > some topics to move into the emacs-xtras manual, which we distribute > > only on line? > > I think emerge, picture, the more advanced parts of calendar/diary, > and rmail can be moved into emacs-xtras. > > The chapter on Fortran mode can be moved out too -- there's no reason > to have a chapter on Fortran in Emacs, when there isn't one on Perl, > Python, or other (nowadays) more common languages. I think it could cause resentment to suggest removing chapters that others have contributed. I wonder if it's possible to count page hits on the online version at www.gnu.org and generally remove those chapters that receive the least hits? -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-12 22:24 ` Nick Roberts @ 2006-03-13 0:23 ` Chong Yidong 2006-03-13 9:32 ` Miles Bader 2006-03-13 16:07 ` Randal L. Schwartz 2006-03-13 10:06 ` Romain Francoise 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2006-03-13 0:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: rms, emacs-devel Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz> writes: > > > > > The Emacs Manual is getting bigger and bigger. Could you suggest > > > some topics to move into the emacs-xtras manual, which we distribute > > > only on line? > > > > I think emerge, picture, the more advanced parts of calendar/diary, > > and rmail can be moved into emacs-xtras. > > > > The chapter on Fortran mode can be moved out too -- there's no reason > > to have a chapter on Fortran in Emacs, when there isn't one on Perl, > > Python, or other (nowadays) more common languages. > > I think it could cause resentment to suggest removing chapters that others > have contributed. I wonder if it's possible to count page hits on the online > version at www.gnu.org and generally remove those chapters that receive the > least hits? Well, they are only being moved to emacs-xtras, not deleted. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 0:23 ` Chong Yidong @ 2006-03-13 9:32 ` Miles Bader 2006-03-13 9:55 ` Nick Roberts ` (2 more replies) 2006-03-13 16:07 ` Randal L. Schwartz 1 sibling, 3 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2006-03-13 9:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Nick Roberts, rms, emacs-devel On 3/13/06, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> wrote: > > I think it could cause resentment to suggest removing chapters that others > > have contributed. I wonder if it's possible to count page hits on the online > > version at www.gnu.org and generally remove those chapters that receive the > > least hits? > > Well, they are only being moved to emacs-xtras, not deleted. In any case, it seems silly to avoid doing necessary pruning because of some vague fear of offending somebody. Pretty much _everything_ in Emacs is a contribution, so one simply can't think this way. Not that it's an easy decision -- a great deal of what exists in emacs is "marginal" in some sense (is only used by a relatively small percentage of users). It does seem that it would be courteous to bring the authors of the text into the discussion; maybe they could suggest alternatives such as abridgement? Anyway, some possibilities for deletion that come to mind: + Nroff mode [obscure language these days, and not very useful content] + Asm Mode [fairly useless -- doesn't say much you wouldn't get from just using the mode] + Table mode; I'm not sure about this one -- it could be very popular, I suppose, but it _is_ quite large. Maybe there could be a shortened version in the printed manual (similar to the way that Gnus has a short intro in the Emacs, manual, which links to the huge standalone Gnus manual)? Personally I think "Nroff Mode" and "Asm Mode" could just be deleted entirely, there seems not much point to them, even in emacs-xtra. -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 9:32 ` Miles Bader @ 2006-03-13 9:55 ` Nick Roberts 2006-03-13 18:53 ` Luc Teirlinck 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2006-03-13 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Chong Yidong, rms, emacs-devel > > > I think it could cause resentment to suggest removing chapters that > > > others have contributed. I wonder if it's possible to count page hits > > > on the online version at www.gnu.org and generally remove those > > > chapters that receive the least hits? > > > > Well, they are only being moved to emacs-xtras, not deleted. But it appears that emacs-xtras is not being distributed with Emacs which will reduce its reach considerably. If the size of the printed manual is the main concern (I'm only guessing), then perhaps emacs-xtras could be distributed too. Then the distinction wouldn't be so great and stuff could be moved across more freely. > In any case, it seems silly to avoid doing necessary pruning because > of some vague fear of offending somebody. I've not suggested not doing it, but just not doing it in an arbitrary manner. In any case, in my experience, Emacs development has never seemed to worry about offending somebody - quite the opposite, in fact! Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 9:55 ` Nick Roberts @ 2006-03-13 18:53 ` Luc Teirlinck 2006-03-13 20:46 ` Nick Roberts 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Luc Teirlinck @ 2006-03-13 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: cyd, emacs-devel, rms, miles Nick Roberts wrote: But it appears that emacs-xtras is not being distributed with Emacs which will reduce its reach considerably. It is called emacs-xtra, not emacs-xtras and it is in the man directory of the Emacs distribution. If you use CVS Emacs, it should be in the menu you get from `C-h i d'. Otherwise, something is wrong. Sincerely, Luc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 18:53 ` Luc Teirlinck @ 2006-03-13 20:46 ` Nick Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2006-03-13 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: cyd, emacs-devel, rms, miles > But it appears that emacs-xtras is not being distributed with Emacs > which will reduce its reach considerably. > > It is called emacs-xtra, not emacs-xtras and it is in the man > directory of the Emacs distribution. If you use CVS Emacs, it should > be in the menu you get from `C-h i d'. Otherwise, something is wrong. I don't have any trouble finding it, but AFAIK not all the files in CVS will be used to make a distribution. When Richard said "on line", I took it to mean "on the Internet", but as Romain has said thats probably not the case. If the goal really is to the make paper version of the manual smaller, it would be helpful to know by how much. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 9:55 ` Nick Roberts 2006-03-13 18:53 ` Luc Teirlinck @ 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-13 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: cyd, emacs-devel, miles But it appears that emacs-xtras is not being distributed with Emacs which will reduce its reach considerably. The file name is man/emacs-xtra.texi. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 9:32 ` Miles Bader 2006-03-13 9:55 ` Nick Roberts @ 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-13 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: cyd, nickrob, emacs-devel It does seem that it would be courteous to bring the authors of the text into the discussion; maybe they could suggest alternatives such as abridgement? I have no time to discuss it with them. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 9:32 ` Miles Bader 2006-03-13 9:55 ` Nick Roberts 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-13 22:41 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-13 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: cyd, nickrob, emacs-devel + Nroff mode [obscure language these days, and not very useful content] + Asm Mode [fairly useless -- doesn't say much you wouldn't get from just using the mode] They are so short that we won't save much by moving them. I think their usefulness is sufficient to justify such a small amount of text. + Table mode; I'm not sure about this one -- it could be very popular, I suppose, but it _is_ quite large. Maybe there could be a shortened version in the printed manual (similar to the way that Gnus has a short intro in the Emacs, manual, which links to the huge standalone Gnus manual)? This seems like a better candidate to move. I don't know how popular it is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 0:23 ` Chong Yidong 2006-03-13 9:32 ` Miles Bader @ 2006-03-13 16:07 ` Randal L. Schwartz 2006-03-13 17:06 ` Drew Adams 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Randal L. Schwartz @ 2006-03-13 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Chong" == Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes: Chong> Well, they are only being moved to emacs-xtras, not deleted. I don't know how practical this is, but if a single page could be made in the main manual that says "these things are now in the xtra manual" so that those things can be indexed, that'd be useful. Lots of places say "look up dissociated press in 'the manual'", so a forward pointer would help. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 16:07 ` Randal L. Schwartz @ 2006-03-13 17:06 ` Drew Adams 2006-03-13 17:22 ` Chip Coldwell ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2006-03-13 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw) My 2c - Here are some more candidates for xtras, in addition to those already identified by others: * all mail stuff and all news stuff (including gnus) * all calendar and diary stuff * version contol (maybe) * all language modes: C, Fortran, Tex, Nroff, ASM, ... * running debuggers (GUD) * international stuff * AntiNews * OS-specific stuff (MS Windows, Mac,...), except for basic Unix/GNU-Linux stuff like man and grep (which is not grouped as OS-specific anyway) If space permits, these should not be moved out, but if space is tight for the printed manual, they are candidates. The xtras "manual" needs a name that doesn't just say "extras". It could be as simple as making the main manual "Volume 1" and the extras manual "Volume 2". A brief intro in each (printed) manual should describe (characterize) both manuals. Each manual should include a complete TOC of all topics in both manuals. It would be better to aim for two volumes that are not terribly different in size. In general, the main manual (Volume 1) should include editing that is not mode-specific, how to get help, search, tags, license and reporting info, a master index, and info on all major Emacs (user) objects and concepts (display, frames, windows, buffers, inputting, commands, keys, customization, ...). In general, topics that could be moved to xtras include those that are mode-specific, provide a special service or information, or are less commonly used. We should avoid splitting a topic (e.g. calendar/diary, as was suggested), putting some of its topics in the main manual and others (e.g. advanced) in the xtras manual. It's better to either include all of a large topic or move it all to xtras. The content of each manual should be pretty clearly defined by a set of topics. We should avoid making a division based on intro and advanced aspects of the same topic. I agree with those who mentioned that some way should be found to include the emacs-xtras topics in the main Emacs-manual index, at least in Info. It should be possible to use Info to navigate to all of the topics (including xtras) more or less seamlessly. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 17:06 ` Drew Adams @ 2006-03-13 17:22 ` Chip Coldwell 2006-03-13 22:59 ` Miles Bader 2006-03-14 10:21 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Chip Coldwell @ 2006-03-13 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Drew Adams wrote: > The xtras "manual" needs a name that doesn't just say "extras". It could be > as simple as making the main manual "Volume 1" and the extras manual "Volume > 2". [ ... ] > I agree with those who mentioned that some way should be found to include > the emacs-xtras topics in the main Emacs-manual index, at least in Info. It > should be possible to use Info to navigate to all of the topics (including > xtras) more or less seamlessly. I agree; and I'll point out that there is precedent. The printed version of the GNU C Library is split in two volumes, but in Info it appears contiguous. Chip -- Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell Senior Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 17:06 ` Drew Adams 2006-03-13 17:22 ` Chip Coldwell @ 2006-03-13 22:59 ` Miles Bader 2006-03-13 23:50 ` Lennart Borgman 2006-03-14 10:21 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2006-03-13 22:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel On 3/14/06, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote: > Here are some more candidates for xtras, in addition to those already > identified by others: ... > If space permits, these should not be moved out, but if space is tight for > the printed manual, they are candidates. I think clearly we don't want to eliminate all those modes from the main manual, because some of the specialized modes are important parts of emacs, because they are often used by its primary audience, or are historically significant. Some things from your list that I think should _not_ be deleted: * all mail stuff and all news stuff (including gnus) Sending mail is an important everyday function for most users, so this clearly should stay (Gnus has only a short section in the main manual anyway). * all calendar and diary stuff If the calendar manual is large, maybe it could be moved to a separate manual, and replaced by a short "basic calendar usage" section in main manual, but I think this function is often used by many people, so it shouldn't be deleted entirely. * version contol (maybe) No, this is quite important for many users. * all language modes: C, Fortran, Tex, Nroff, ASM, ... C mode should definitely stay -- it's an important part of emacs for Emacs' main user base, and morever is something that people often want to customize. * running debuggers (GUD) This is also very important, it should stay. * international stuff This is of _major_ importance to a large proportion of Emacs' users; Emacs great support of non-ASCII text is one of its major strengths, * AntiNews Both short and funny. Should stay. * OS-specific stuff (MS Windows, Mac,...), except for basic Unix/GNU-Linux stuff like man and grep (which is not grouped as OS-specific anyway) I dunno; are the mac/windows sections long? -miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 22:59 ` Miles Bader @ 2006-03-13 23:50 ` Lennart Borgman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman @ 2006-03-13 23:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Drew Adams, emacs-devel Miles Bader wrote: > * OS-specific stuff (MS Windows, Mac,...), except for basic Unix/GNU-Linux > stuff like man and grep (which is not grouped as OS-specific anyway) > > I dunno; are the mac/windows sections long? > Any information that is there should be important to the users on the specific OS. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 17:06 ` Drew Adams 2006-03-13 17:22 ` Chip Coldwell 2006-03-13 22:59 ` Miles Bader @ 2006-03-14 10:21 ` Richard Stallman 2006-03-14 15:18 ` Drew Adams 2 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-14 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel * all mail stuff and all news stuff (including gnus) * all calendar and diary stuff * version contol (maybe) * all language modes: C, Fortran, Tex, Nroff, ASM, ... * running debuggers (GUD) * international stuff * AntiNews That would be too drastic. Most of that is very important, and worth printing in the manual. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-14 10:21 ` Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-14 15:18 ` Drew Adams 2006-03-14 17:46 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2006-03-14 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw) * all mail stuff and all news stuff (including gnus) * all calendar and diary stuff * version contol (maybe) * all language modes: C, Fortran, Tex, Nroff, ASM, ... * running debuggers (GUD) * international stuff * AntiNews That would be too drastic. What would be too drastic? To consider them as _candidates_? Most of that is very important, and worth printing in the manual. Of course it is. And not only most of it, but all of it. I certainly was not proposing moving all of that (or even any of it) out of the printed manual. And I made it clear that these topics could be looked at after those that had already been proposed by others had been considered. As I said, these are _additional_ candidates to consider, if need be. You asked for candidates. These important topics are nevertheless less fundamental than basic editing and such, which is the point. If only one or two obvious candidates are proposed, that doesn't help if the intention or need is to move more material. Given a long list, you can prioritize it and pick those least important to move, as space permits. A list that is too short is no help in moving more material. You didn't say that enough had already been moved, after moving emerge, picture, and Fortran. The implication was that you were still looking for more (how much?) to move. Of the topics that remained and hadn't yet been suggested (and were not trivially small), I listed the least fundamental (IMO) as additional candidates. You didn't make the requirement clear, if you had in mind a particular amout of material to move. Lacking that, the most appropriate response to your request would be a prioritized list of _all_ of the manual nodes. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-14 15:18 ` Drew Adams @ 2006-03-14 17:46 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-14 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel That would be too drastic. What would be too drastic? To consider them as _candidates_? I did consider them as candidates, and responded that moving them would be too drastic. You didn't make the requirement clear, if you had in mind a particular amout of material to move. I don't have a specific goal. I am looking for things that are fairly painless to move. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-12 22:24 ` Nick Roberts 2006-03-13 0:23 ` Chong Yidong @ 2006-03-13 10:06 ` Romain Francoise 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Romain Francoise @ 2006-03-13 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: rms, emacs-devel Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz> writes: > I think it could cause resentment to suggest removing chapters that > others have contributed. I wonder if it's possible to count page hits > on the online version at www.gnu.org and generally remove those > chapters that receive the least hits? I think Richard meant "on line" as opposed to "in print", the goal being to shave off a few pages from the *paper* version of the manual. Those sections would still be distributed in the Emacs tarball etc. (But in the Emacs-Xtra manual.) -- Romain Francoise <romain@orebokech.com> | The sea! the sea! the open it's a miracle -- http://orebokech.com/ | sea! The blue, the fresh, the | ever free! --Bryan W. Procter ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-12 22:24 ` Nick Roberts 2006-03-13 0:23 ` Chong Yidong 2006-03-13 10:06 ` Romain Francoise @ 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-13 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: cyd, emacs-devel I think it could cause resentment to suggest removing chapters that others have contributed. I will live with that. Please give me suggestions anyway. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-12 20:26 ` Chong Yidong 2006-03-12 22:24 ` Nick Roberts @ 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman 2006-03-16 3:27 ` Chong Yidong 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-13 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel I agree about moving emerge, picture, and Fortran mode. Would you like to move them? Please replace them with brief mentions in a suitable place, with links. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-16 3:27 ` Chong Yidong 2006-03-16 20:19 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2006-03-16 3:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes: > I agree about moving emerge, picture, and Fortran mode. > Would you like to move them? Please replace them with brief mentions > in a suitable place, with links. Done. By the way, how about moving the "Sorting" node from "Advanced Features" to "Text", and both "Narrowing" and "Two-Column Windows" from "Advanced Features" to "Windows"? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-16 3:27 ` Chong Yidong @ 2006-03-16 20:19 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-16 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel By the way, how about moving the "Sorting" node from "Advanced Features" to "Text", and both "Narrowing" and "Two-Column Windows" from "Advanced Features" to "Windows"? Moving Sorting might make sense, but Narrowing has nothing to do with multiple windows. That should not be moved. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-12 15:45 Emacs Manual topics to remove? Richard Stallman 2006-03-12 20:26 ` Chong Yidong @ 2006-03-12 23:14 ` Jesper Harder 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Jesper Harder @ 2006-03-12 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw) Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes: > The Emacs Manual is getting bigger and bigger. Could you suggest > some topics to move into the emacs-xtras manual, which we distribute > only on line? Dissociated Press. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs Manual topics to remove? 2006-03-12 23:14 ` Jesper Harder @ 2006-03-13 12:55 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-03-13 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel Dissociated Press. It isn't very big, and it is funny, so on balance I don't think we gain by moving it out. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
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