From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Pango-like font fallback (was Re: Russian numero sign) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:11:36 +0900 Message-ID: References: <200602191431.36541.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200602232237.54975.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200603052231.29806.pogonyshev@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1141743123 10420 80.91.229.2 (7 Mar 2006 14:52:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 07 15:52:00 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGdXQ-000306-Qp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:51:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGdXP-0005vo-Ml for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:51:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FGVYp-0004ZD-CQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:20:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FGVYh-0004QX-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:20:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGVI7-0001tV-TU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:03:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.47.44.130] (helo=tsukuba.m17n.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FGUWd-0007Ot-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:14:23 -0500 Original-Received: from nfs.m17n.org (nfs.m17n.org [192.47.44.7]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k275Bcr0024212; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:11:38 +0900 Original-Received: from etlken (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by nfs.m17n.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k275BbwN032573; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:11:37 +0900 Original-Received: from handa by etlken with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1FGUTw-0006Im-00; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:11:36 +0900 Original-To: Paul Pogonyshev In-reply-to: <200603052231.29806.pogonyshev@gmx.net> (message from Paul Pogonyshev on Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:31:29 +0200) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/22.0.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:51314 Archived-At: In article <200603052231.29806.pogonyshev@gmx.net>, Paul Pogonyshev writes: >> unify-8859-on-encoding-mode is not relevant how to read (or >> decode) Cyrillic characters encoded in UTF-8, nor how to >> display Cyrillic characters decoded into >> mule-unicode-0100-24ff charset. >> >> Do you really mean that you solved the display problem by >> turning it off? > No, there is a misundestanding. I meant `unify-8859-on-decoding'. So, you turned off unify-8859-on-decoding to solve the display problem, right? Then I think the reason why you can't see Cyrillic characters while unify-8859-on-decoding is on is that your -adobe-courier-*-iso10646-1 font doesn't contain Cyrillic glyphs. > In general, Emacs shows most basic characters OK with unify-on-encoding > turned on and unify-on-decoding off, it's not like I need fancy > characters regularly. However, Pango sure does a nicer job and I hope > your changes doing similar things get merged into the Emacs trunk. That > is, if another stable version is ever released. Please note that Pango and the other modern rendering engines use TrueType font with a help of freetype/Xft and fontconfig libraries. Emacs (and emacs-unicode-2 too) currently doesn't use them, but there exists an ongoing project for supporting TTF in Emacs. >> Please try to select "fontset->standard" by shift-mouse1. >> It makes "fixed" the default family, thus has the higher >> possibility of selecting an iso10646-1 font that support >> Cyrillic. > This doesn't seem to have any effect. The screen flickers > but displays exactly the same fonts, no matter what I > choose in the menus. Probably because I have customized > faces, not sure. First of all, do you have any iso10646-1 X core fonts that support Cyrillic characters? --- Kenichi Handa handa@m17n.org