From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Richard M. Stallman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Starnge comment in Custom Theme code. Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:52:07 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200512241630.jBOGU6H09878@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1135479274 24858 80.91.229.2 (25 Dec 2005 02:54:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 02:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 25 03:54:31 2005 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqM1i-00051l-4s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:54:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqM2p-00053r-9i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:55:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EqM10-0004Tj-Qa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:53:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EqM0z-0004T7-FX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:53:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqM0z-0004T1-8j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:53:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EqM0Y-0000Ff-Ep for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:53:14 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1EqLzT-0007pE-Pv; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:52:07 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200512241630.jBOGU6H09878@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:30:06 -0600 (CST)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48343 Archived-At: What does the code that follows the comment do? Nobody will ever find bugs in the Themes code by using it, because nobody is using it. It is not released yet, so of course not many people are using it. So the only way to find bugs is to read the source code and see what it does. Did anybody ever do that? I would like more people to do it. I tried and concluded that it was just an incoherent bunch of nonsense, that was not worth trying to fix. We're going to fix it, and your reports are helping us do it. But could you please leave out the abuse, and just tell us the facts that will help us fix the bugs? I believe that we decided that a theme should never override a value defined with setq or otherwise set outside Custom. We recently reaffirmed that themes should never override Custom settings, but I don't remember discussing the question wrt non-Custom settings. Could you tell me when that discussion was, so I can find the old mail? I looked at various places in custom.el, and they seem to be consistent about treating non-Custom user settings as background for custom themes.