From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:07:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <7ca1709813602da58a139cee58fb4c63@gmail.com> <3b9c4e2f33d37fed55f640dcafbc8d65@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112728482 18214 80.91.229.2 (5 Apr 2005 19:14:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 05 21:14:40 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DItUE-0002dO-Cn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:13:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIt3B-0003NR-8e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:45:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DIt2c-0003Ee-Jf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:44:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DIt2R-0003Bm-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:44:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIt2R-00037G-8s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:44:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DItOZ-000352-UC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:07:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DItOD-0006gJ-Aj; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:07:05 -0400 Original-To: David Reitter In-reply-to: <3b9c4e2f33d37fed55f640dcafbc8d65@gmail.com> (message from David Reitter on Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:27:10 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35594 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35594 From a UI and an OS X perspective, customization buffers should definitely go into proper dialogues with native widgets. Most cases, perhaps nearly all, would be easily handled with those native widgets. But it might be hard to make this support everything that Emacs customizations actually do. Meanwhile, we could afford to maintain this for one set of widgets, such as GTK. But if the idea were to use the native widget set of every system, you're talking about a tremendous amount of work. Successful OS X software pretty much always uses the native user interface. The purpose of Emacs is to enhance the GNU operating system of which it is part, and thus to contribute to the liberation of computer users from non-free software. Mac OS is a non-free operating system. Viewed amorally, as mere technology, it may be useful; but it is fundamentally unethical. Our goal is to replace it with free software, not to enhance it. To produce "successful OS X software" is a distraction from the goal.