From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joe Corneli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:07:22 -0600 Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <87acozbp0v.fsf@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> <7ek6o2w7bl.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111407151 30816 80.91.229.2 (21 Mar 2005 12:12:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 21 13:12:30 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDLle-0001kg-0Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:12:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDLyu-0006SW-4u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:26:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDLCS-0007jT-CL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:36:00 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DDKjV-0005Vr-93 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:06:22 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDKV8-0003y8-8R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:51:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [146.6.139.124] (helo=dell3.ma.utexas.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DDJoi-0005i9-V7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:07:25 -0500 Original-Received: from lab45.ma.utexas.edu (mail@lab45.ma.utexas.edu [128.83.133.159]) by dell3.ma.utexas.edu (8.11.0.Beta3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j2LA7MQ25547; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:07:22 -0600 Original-Received: from jcorneli by lab45.ma.utexas.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DDJog-0003GN-00; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:07:22 -0600 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Brian Elmegaard on 21 Mar 2005 08:39:41 +0100) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25067 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25067 > the idea is to live in emacs when possible (i.e., all the time). I do (Except for w3, which never get to work. ) The standard response to this is "use emacs/w3m". (emacs-w3m.namazu.org) Personally, probably because I'm habituated to it, I find it easier to use Lynx with emacsclient for browsing and editing webforms (respectively). Maybe I should make a concerted effort to switch to w3m though. Another extreme possibility would be to use html2text or 'lynx -dump' (or something similar) as one's primary "browser" and various scripts and special modes for uploading. But in any event there are those %$!* sites that neither the OTB nor w3m (nor html2text) can handle. If you live in Emacs all the time, you'll be living without these pages.