From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changed outside --> set, in Customize UI Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:02:55 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1108015793 15964 80.91.229.2 (10 Feb 2005 06:09:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 10 07:09:52 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cz7WN-0003Tm-RZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:09:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cz7l3-0008JD-Me for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:24:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cz7k2-0007rL-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:23:55 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cz7ju-0007m3-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:23:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cz7js-0007iy-87 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:23:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cz7TG-0004tm-EO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:06:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Cz7Pj-000352-5D; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:02:55 -0500 Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:33179 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:33179 I said To avoid confusion. In general, it is a good idea to separate the values that users set from the values that programs set. You responded with a misunderstanding: Pick a level of unity for the "Set" (vs "changed-outside") club: 1. Set inside Customize. 2. #1 + `set-variable' used interactively. 3. #2 + any command called interactively that has as purpose to change the value. 4. #3 + any interactive command, used interactively or not. 5. #4 + any function or sexpr executed interactively (`M-:'). 6. #5 + any function or sexpr called by any function or sexpr in #5. 7. #6 + explicitly loading any library (interactively). 8. #7 + loading any library in your custom file (.emacs). 9. #8 + loading any library, even indirectly. You're trying to distinguish cases based on MECHANISMS used to set the variable. That's not the kind of distinction we are making. We are not talking about how it's done. The distinction here is who decides to set this particular variable. Does a certain Lisp program decide, or does the user decide. The question you posed does not require an answer.