From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:31:20 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <878y65mnyz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107582324 23031 80.91.229.2 (5 Feb 2005 05:45:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 05 06:45:24 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxIkc-0003Ux-3o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 06:44:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxIyH-0000xw-9C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:59:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CxIxk-0000dK-VY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:58:33 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CxIxd-0000ZJ-KU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:58:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxIxc-0000Xb-14 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:58:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CxIaQ-0008S7-Ec for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:34:26 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CxIXQ-0007XC-Kn; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:31:20 -0500 Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: <878y65mnyz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:45:29 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32897 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32897 I think it'd be useful to add a warning/prompt when saving, along the lines of "set outside customize: saving may not work". With such a warning, we could drop the "changed outside customize" state (well: keep it internally, of course, but not show it to the user) and still know that users won't be surprised when things don't work. In effect, this would be equivalent to maintaining the two states but treating them more or less the same aside from their names.