From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:41:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107413098 19202 80.91.229.2 (3 Feb 2005 06:44:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 03 07:44:57 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwajN-0004lV-W1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:44:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwawe-000873-Pm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:58:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwaw0-0007oK-KS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:57:48 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwavx-0007me-Jz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:57:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwavx-0007mM-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:57:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cwaib-0007i2-HM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:43:57 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Cwafo-0007zF-Ms; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:41:04 -0500 Original-To: Per Abrahamsen In-reply-to: (message from Per Abrahamsen on Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:32:52 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32787 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32787 > Why do you think so? In particular, if changes outside Custom > were treated as if they had happened within Custom, what problem > do you envision? Was this unclear: If you .emacs, or some third party code you activate from ".emacs", contains "(setq foo 42)" and you change and save "foo" from customize, you changes to the variable through customize will be overwritten next time you start Emacs. It does not seem to justify the statement above. The statement is not limited to init files. It seems to say that *any* setting of the variable from outside Custom would cause trouble. But this only explains why setting the variable *in .emacs* would cause trouble. If we arranged to record a list of all defcustomed variables that are explicitly set in other ways from within .emacs, would that make it possible to solve this problem?