From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:55:49 -0500 Message-ID: References: <003e01c4f371$34df4d00$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1105041842 1088 80.91.229.6 (6 Jan 2005 20:04:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 06 21:03:50 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CmdrK-0007yP-00 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:03:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cme2d-0006fH-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:15:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cme1y-0006J5-4Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:14:50 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cme1v-0006Ho-Rq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:14:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cme1v-0006HA-Mc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:14:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cmdq8-0002sY-0j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:02:36 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CmdjZ-0006cn-5F; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:55:49 -0500 Original-To: "Lennart Borgman" In-reply-to: <003e01c4f371$34df4d00$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> (lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31967 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31967 The normal procedure to develop a GUI would be to ask users what aspect of the GUI they do not for some reason like. (Of course the educated guess of the developers are very, very good to have.) I guess a problem here is that many users do not use the custom GUI. Therefore I believe every piece of information we get about how different persons react to this interface is important. I agree. One very useful way to get good info is to watch a beginner use custom and say "please report anything you don't like AND anything that isn't obvious how to use". If a few people could do this with their friends, over the coming weeks, that could potentially show us how to make Custom more natural. We may need to wait till after the release before actually making the changes, but we will do it sooner or later.