* Refcard for Gnus @ 2004-11-29 15:31 Reiner Steib 2004-12-29 4:38 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2004-11-29 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi, currently the Reference Card for Gnus is not included in Emacs. I think it should be included. Gnus refcard.ps and refcard.pdf are created by running latex/dvips (or pdflatex resp.) on a refcard.tex (a completely different file compared to etc/refcard.tex in Emacs). Other files used are gnuslogo-refcard.eps (and gnuslogo-refcard.pdf; generated using epstopdf). Is it necessary that all input files required to produce refcard.ps (or refcard.pdf) are included in Emacs or would it be sufficient to add only the resulting PS (or PDF) file as gnus-ref.ps (gnus-ref.pdf)? If all files should be included, we would need the following files. We may stick to the original names if we create a subdirectory etc/gnus, else we should rename them, I think. Bytes Original name proposed new name 1792 Makefile [1] gnus-Makefile 539 bk-a4.tex gnus-bk-a4.tex 542 bk-lt.tex gnus-bk-lt.tex 3851 booklet.tex gnus-booklet.tex 5279 refcard.tex gnus-ref.tex 64315 gnuslogo-booklet.eps gnuslogo-booklet.eps 5807 gnuslogo-refcard.eps gnuslogo-refcard.eps 54730 gnusref.tex [2] gnusref.tex [1] Simplified version of Gnus texi/Makefile [2] Main input file used by gnus-refcard.tex, ... Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Refcard for Gnus 2004-11-29 15:31 Refcard for Gnus Reiner Steib @ 2004-12-29 4:38 ` Richard Stallman 2004-12-30 18:56 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2004-12-29 4:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel Please forgive me for taking a long time to follow up on this. I was too busy to really think about it when your message came in, so I saved the message. currently the Reference Card for Gnus is not included in Emacs. I think it should be included. It would be good to include it. Is it necessary that all input files required to produce refcard.ps (or refcard.pdf) are included in Emacs or would it be sufficient to add only the resulting PS (or PDF) file as gnus-ref.ps (gnus-ref.pdf)? Inclusion of the source code is an ethical imperative. currently the Reference Card for Gnus is not included in Emacs. I think it should be included. Gnus refcard.ps and refcard.pdf are created by running latex/dvips (or pdflatex resp.) on a refcard.tex (a completely different file compared to etc/refcard.tex in Emacs). Other files used are gnuslogo-refcard.eps (and gnuslogo-refcard.pdf; generated using epstopdf). Is it necessary that all input files required to produce refcard.ps (or refcard.pdf) are included in Emacs or would it be sufficient to add only the resulting PS (or PDF) file as gnus-ref.ps (gnus-ref.pdf)? If all files should be included, we would need the following files. We may stick to the original names if we create a subdirectory etc/gnus, else we should rename them, I think. Bytes Original name proposed new name 1792 Makefile [1] gnus-Makefile Why does this need makefile rules? Assuming there is a real need for them, we should put the rules into etc/Makefile, rather than making a separate file. 539 bk-a4.tex gnus-bk-a4.tex 542 bk-lt.tex gnus-bk-lt.tex 3851 booklet.tex gnus-booklet.tex 5279 refcard.tex gnus-ref.tex 54730 gnusref.tex [2] gnusref.tex What role does each of those files play? The Emacs refcard is just one file. Can the Gnus refcard be just one file? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Refcard for Gnus 2004-12-29 4:38 ` Richard Stallman @ 2004-12-30 18:56 ` Reiner Steib 2004-12-30 21:20 ` Miles Bader 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2004-12-30 18:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Emacs development On Wed, Dec 29 2004, Richard Stallman wrote: > currently the Reference Card for Gnus is not included in Emacs. I > think it should be included. > > It would be good to include it. Could someone check if Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>, Felix Natter <fnatter@gmx.net> and Luis Fernandes have copyright assignments on file? Else I will try to find out if their changes require assignments. ,----[ gnusref.tex ] | Copyright \copyright\ 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc.\\* | Copyright \copyright\ 1995 Vladimir Alexiev | $<$vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca$>$.\\* | Copyright \copyright\ 2000 Felix Natter $<$fnatter@gmx.net$>$.\\* | Copyright \copyright\ 2001, 2002, 2003 \author.\\* | Created from the Gnus manual Copyright \copyright\ 1994 Lars Magne | Ingebrigtsen.\\* | and the Emacs Help Bindings feature (C-h b).\\* | Gnus logo copyright \copyright\ 1995 Luis Fernandes.\\* `---- [ Changed order of quoting: ] > The Emacs refcard is just one file. Can the Gnus refcard be > just one file? If we resign from some "features", we could put it in just one LaTeX file: a combination (say gnus-refcard.tex) of gnusref.tex and refcard.tex. Missing features would be: No graphical Gnus logo on the reference card and no reference booklet. If we want to keep the logo, we need two files: gnus-refcard.tex and gnuslogo-refcard.eps. If we go for one of those two options ((a) one LaTeX file or (b) one LaTeX plus eps logo), syncing of the LaTeX file between Gnus and Emacs would have to be done manually. But it is not very hard, because the content doesn't change often. I would recommend to take one of these options. For completeness, I'll explain the other files a well. You may skip the rest of this article if you agree to (a) or (b). > What role does each of those files play? 54730 gnusref.tex [2] gnusref.tex Main input file. It provides the actual content of the refcard (6 pages, two column layout) and reference booklet (20 pages, one column layout) as LaTeX macros. 5279 refcard.tex gnus-ref.tex LaTeX document for the reference card. Needs gnusref.tex and a graphical Gnus logo (gnuslogo-refcard.eps; or *.pdf generated using epstopdf). 539 bk-a4.tex gnus-bk-a4.tex 542 bk-lt.tex gnus-bk-lt.tex Small LaTeX wrapper files for the reference booklet (A4 and letter paper size). Needs [gnus-]booklet.tex (specifies layout and content), gnusref.tex and a bigger graphical Gnus logo (gnuslogo-booklet.eps; or *.pdf generated using epstopdf). > 1792 Makefile [1] gnus-Makefile > > Why does this need makefile rules? The user can create DVI, PS and PDF versions of the reference card and booklet (for different paper sizes: a4 and letter). The PDF versions require the logo as PDF file which is generated by Makefile rules. There are also Makefile rules for the paper size, e.g. you can say "make PAPERSIZE=letter gnus-booklet.ps" to get the reference booklet for letter paper. > Assuming there is a real need for them, we should put the rules into > etc/Makefile, rather than making a separate file. The simplified Makefile (only stuff for refcard and booklet) has around 50 lines. It's easier to maintain when it is kept separate if we include the booklet version, too. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Refcard for Gnus 2004-12-30 18:56 ` Reiner Steib @ 2004-12-30 21:20 ` Miles Bader 2004-12-30 23:08 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2004-12-30 21:20 UTC (permalink / raw) > > The Emacs refcard is just one file. Can the Gnus refcard be > > just one file? > > If we resign from some "features", we could put it in just one LaTeX > file: a combination (say gnus-refcard.tex) of gnusref.tex and > refcard.tex. Missing features would be: No graphical Gnus logo on the > reference card and no reference booklet. Gnus is sufficiently complex that a short "reference booklet" would seem rather more useful than a simple "refcard"; why not keep both in Emacs? -Miles ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Refcard for Gnus 2004-12-30 21:20 ` Miles Bader @ 2004-12-30 23:08 ` Reiner Steib 2004-12-30 23:50 ` Miles Bader 2005-01-01 5:25 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2004-12-30 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, Dec 30 2004, Miles Bader wrote: >> If we resign from some "features", we could put it in just one LaTeX >> file: a combination (say gnus-refcard.tex) of gnusref.tex and >> refcard.tex. Missing features would be: No graphical Gnus logo on the >> reference card and no reference booklet. > > Gnus is sufficiently complex that a short "reference booklet" would > seem rather more useful than a simple "refcard"; why not keep both in > Emacs? The content of refcard and booklet is the same (AFAICS), only the layout is different: refcard: 6 pages, two column layout reference booklet: 20 pages, one column layout Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Refcard for Gnus 2004-12-30 23:08 ` Reiner Steib @ 2004-12-30 23:50 ` Miles Bader 2005-01-05 11:19 ` Reiner Steib 2005-01-01 5:25 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2004-12-30 23:50 UTC (permalink / raw) > The content of refcard and booklet is the same (AFAICS), only the > layout is different: > > refcard: 6 pages, two column layout > reference booklet: 20 pages, one column layout Wow! Does the refcard use extremely small fonts, or is the booklet full of whitespace...? -Miles ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Refcard for Gnus 2004-12-30 23:50 ` Miles Bader @ 2005-01-05 11:19 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2005-01-05 11:19 UTC (permalink / raw) [ Resent. This one didn't make it to the list: Date: Fri Dec 31 13:10:24 2004 +0100 Message-ID: <v9oegafz2n.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> ] On Fri, Dec 31 2004, Miles Bader wrote: >> The content of refcard and booklet is the same (AFAICS), only the >> layout is different: >> >> refcard: 6 pages, two column layout >> reference booklet: 20 pages, one column layout > > Wow! Does the refcard use extremely small fonts, or is the booklet > full of whitespace...? The refcard uses smaller fonts. I think the booklet is supposed to be printed with two pages per a4 or letter sheet, i.e. printed on a4 or letter paper it only fills half of the sheet. Bye, Reiner. PS: Miles, could you please move the Gnus image files if you find time to do it? (See the thread "Where to put images for lisp packages?".) Else we should make a remark in FOR-RELEASE about it. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Refcard for Gnus 2004-12-30 23:08 ` Reiner Steib 2004-12-30 23:50 ` Miles Bader @ 2005-01-01 5:25 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2005-01-01 5:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel The content of refcard and booklet is the same (AFAICS), only the layout is different: refcard: 6 pages, two column layout reference booklet: 20 pages, one column layout It seems that the second option doesn't really add anything. So I'd rather keep it simple and support just the former. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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