From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: byte-opt.el addition - optimize list of compile-time constants Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:22:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87u0qxgn65.fsf@codesourcery.com> <87zn0op5dj.fsf@codesourcery.com> <87vfbcp3r2.fsf@codesourcery.com> <87r7m0p1w7.fsf@codesourcery.com> <87mzwoozgf.fsf@codesourcery.com> <874qiwqdo5.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <878y88ox1k.fsf@codesourcery.com> <87sm6gneza.fsf@codesourcery.com> Reply-To: ttn@glug.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102605834 1644 80.91.229.6 (9 Dec 2004 15:23:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 09 16:23:41 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CcQ8r-0007Oq-00 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:23:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcQIl-0005L0-D3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:33:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcQIP-0005Ka-SX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:33:33 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcQIO-0005Ji-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:33:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcQIN-0005JY-Tf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:33:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [207.245.121.137] (helo=mail.agora-net.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CcQ84-0002rm-7P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:22:52 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by mail.agora-net.com with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CcQ7t-0004P3-3z; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:22:41 -0500 Original-To: zack@codesourcery.com In-reply-to: <87sm6gneza.fsf@codesourcery.com> (message from Zack Weinberg on Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:49:13 -0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:30938 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:30938 From: Zack Weinberg Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:49:13 -0800 the breakage [...] would be very limited indeed even limited breakage is unacceptable. an optimizer operates under a sort of hippocratic oath -- don't make things worse! if i as a user wrote (quote ...), that means i intend ... to be my domain of play, not that of the byte compiler/optimizer/whatever. if i wanted to expose something in ... to be non-opaque i would use quasiquote. what you propose to do would result in me not trusting (quote ...). that's not good for my relationship w/ elisp. thi