From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Moving files from lisp/gnus/ to lisp/net/?
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:52:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1CIoz9-00033N-Cc@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ilu655bwzng.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> (message from Simon Josefsson on Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:26:59 +0200)
People seem to fear using some files in gnus/ because they think the
files might end up loading all of Gnus. I believe moving some of the
self contained files in Gnus elsewhere would be good. This would make
it clear that they aren't an intrinsic part of Gnus. Not only would
it make it clear for elisp programmers, it would make it clear for us
working on Gnus. I.e., to make sure we don't use Gnus functions in
some of the files. I just modified pop3.el to revert one such
example. It would be bad if many standalone files ended up loading
Gnus out of pure laziness.
I agree completely.
It makes a big difference for Emacs maintenance whether a file is part
of Gnus or not. If it is part of Gnus, it is maintained by the Gnus
developers, so they might expect to be able to change it without
looking at how the rest of Emacs uses it.
I propose to move the following files:
lisp/gnus/:
binhex.el
dig.el
hex-util.el
rfc2104.el
pgg-def.el
pgg.el
pgg-gpg.el
pgg-parse.el
pgg-pgp5.el
pgg-pgp.el
pop3.el
sha1.el
sieve.el
sieve-manage.el
sieve-mode.el
starttls.el
We need to consider them one by one, so please don't raise
them as a big group. Please propose one file or a few related
files at a time, and we will think of them.
Right now let's consider only those that there is a specific reason
to move right now.
* What will these file's status in "upstream" Gnus be? Gnus tries to be
compatible with older emacs versions, so it seems like you can't just
remove them from the Gnus distribution, but for this "separation" to have
any real effect for Gnus developers, it would seem that they shouldn't be
kept in their current location.
If the Gnus developers want to keep including some version of these
files, such as for compatibility purposes, they can. But they should
not install those files into the Emacs repository any more. And they
should probably arrange that the separately-distributed Gnus won't use
the Gnus versions of those files when running in an Emacs version that
already has the facility built in.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-16 13:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-15 19:26 Moving files from lisp/gnus/ to lisp/net/? Simon Josefsson
2004-10-15 19:37 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-15 23:27 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-16 2:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2004-10-16 13:52 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-17 13:45 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-18 13:58 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 12:24 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-25 13:13 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 14:13 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-27 10:47 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 19:08 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-29 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-29 21:25 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-11-01 20:09 ` Ted Zlatanov
2004-11-01 20:31 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-11-02 18:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2004-11-02 21:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-02 15:02 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-05 10:16 ` Simon Josefsson
2007-11-06 8:38 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-06 14:01 ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-07 7:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-08 0:46 ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-08 17:40 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <54a15d860711081633k364caf30r3b75464be8a060fa@mail.gmail.com>
2007-11-09 13:40 ` Fwd: " Daiki Ueno
[not found] ` <E1IqbtM-0003DR-P8@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-11-10 4:53 ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-10 7:07 ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-10 20:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-11 0:04 ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-11 19:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 8:54 ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-13 5:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 3:45 ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-14 5:44 ` Michael Albinus
2007-11-14 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-14 15:13 ` Michael Albinus
2007-11-14 17:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-15 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-15 3:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-16 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-15 0:23 ` Miles Bader
2007-11-15 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-11 5:22 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-10 19:53 ` Tom Tromey
2004-10-15 20:05 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-15 21:15 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-16 7:43 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-10-16 13:44 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-15 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-15 21:06 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-15 21:32 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-10-15 21:47 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-15 21:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-18 1:04 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-18 13:59 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-20 10:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-10-20 10:50 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-20 11:22 ` Ralf Angeli
2004-10-20 11:39 ` Ralf Angeli
2004-10-21 1:09 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-20 11:32 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-10-20 11:56 ` Karl Fogel
2004-10-20 12:38 ` David Kastrup
2004-10-20 13:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-20 12:34 ` David Kastrup
2004-10-21 1:28 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-21 5:03 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-10-21 5:49 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-21 10:05 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-23 7:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-10-25 1:02 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-25 10:14 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-25 17:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-10-25 22:41 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-27 17:21 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-10-28 2:21 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-26 7:28 ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-10-27 17:21 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-10-16 13:52 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2004-10-18 17:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2004-10-18 21:36 ` Reiner Steib
2004-10-21 18:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2004-10-22 0:25 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-24 12:13 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-24 12:20 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-24 13:41 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-24 22:18 ` Stefan
2004-10-25 10:08 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-25 11:55 ` Stefan
2004-10-25 13:07 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-26 9:05 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26 9:26 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-19 16:45 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 18:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2004-10-23 4:49 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 12:59 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-24 13:05 ` Move sha1.el and hex-util.el from lisp/gnus/ to lisp/net/ (was: Re: Moving files from lisp/gnus/ to lisp/net/?) Simon Josefsson
2004-10-25 13:13 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 14:23 ` Move sha1.el and hex-util.el from lisp/gnus/ to lisp/net/ Simon Josefsson
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