From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ECB Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:27:53 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1B3ACCFD5694A94DBA4E231402B0E9ED040976@mucmail1.sdm.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1089829775 29095 80.91.224.253 (14 Jul 2004 18:29:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 20:29:12 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BkoVD-00040a-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:29:11 +0200 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BkoVD-0002Ln-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:29:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BkoXe-0007Im-87 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BkoWe-0006oc-Gp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:30:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BkoWd-0006o5-Jp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:30:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BkoWd-0006o0-H4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:30:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BkoTy-0001e3-9Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:27:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BkoTx-0004M0-G8; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:27:53 -0400 Original-To: "Berndl, Klaus" In-reply-to: <1B3ACCFD5694A94DBA4E231402B0E9ED040976@mucmail1.sdm.de> (klaus.berndl@sdm.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:25694 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:25694 First of all we would have to specify what it is that "speedbar-like"-behavior. I would define it as "whatever behavior Speedbar offers that users would miss if they had to switch to ECB." Is it: 1. The combination of directory- and file-content-browsing within one window (ECB separates the directory- and file-browser and the contents-browser in different windows whereas speedbar displays all stuff in one big tree 2. Displaying all stuff in an extra frame 3. Offering all the special-modes of speedbar, e.g. "buffers"-mode, "info"-mode etc... 4. Supporting all packages which currently use the speedbar-API to display special views for certain code-types (e.g. vhdl-mode.el) In principle, any and all of these that a substantial number of users like. Perhaps users don't really like #1; they might generally prefer the ECB approach. I don't know whether users like #2, but I suspect some do. #3 and #4 are features, so I'm sure users like them.