From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joe Corneli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: moderators for GNU lists (Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:33:38 -0500 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1087832062 30700 80.91.224.253 (21 Jun 2004 15:34:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs-bounces+escott=nyiso.com@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 21 17:34:01 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BcQo4-0001xY-00 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BcQpK-0005bH-9u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:35:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BcQpB-0005af-I7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BcQp9-0005aB-Sg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BcQp7-0005ZM-Uw; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:35:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [146.6.139.124] (helo=dell3.ma.utexas.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BcQnj-0005Ul-Re; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from lab45.ma.utexas.edu (mail@lab45.ma.utexas.edu [128.83.133.159]) by dell3.ma.utexas.edu (8.11.0.Beta3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i5LFXco20835; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:33:38 -0500 Original-Received: from jcorneli by lab45.ma.utexas.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BcQni-0008UD-00; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:33:38 -0500 Original-To: EScott@nyiso.com In-reply-to: (EScott@nyiso.com) X-all-your-base-are-belong-to-us: You are on the way to destruction. X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:19014 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:19014 I don't see enough bogus messages to justify a large effort. I think they were really bad about a couple of months ago. The German stuff is unlikely to get caught by any kind of spam filter. I think it demonstrates that _if_ the lists are going to be moderated, they are going to have to be hand-moderated. To me it isn't the quantity of spam that _I_ see that's the big concern, its the free multi-plexing, whereby each spammer who posts to this list gets their message delivered to 100's of people around the world. Take your distraction and multiply it by a big number, that's the actual cost of spam on this list. Some of the other GNU lists (e.g. gnu-emacs-sources) are far less readable, because of a much greater prevalence of spam. If they get more frequent or more objectionable I would agree, and would be prepared to participate in moderation of the list.