From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mark A. Mandel" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12886: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: <404AF2AA-EBA0-4B30-94FA-417FB5C5EC7A@ldc.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352918674 22326 80.91.229.3 (14 Nov 2012 18:44:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12886@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 14 19:44:44 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhx4-0002Vd-SM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:44:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36154 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhwv-00078e-6Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57305) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhwq-000787-E1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhwn-0008Ay-Bk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:28 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:60587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhwn-0008Au-8h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhxN-0002Uy-JH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:45:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Mark A. Mandel" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12886 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12886-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12886.13529186969584 (code B ref 12886); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12886) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2012 18:44:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42605 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhxI-0002UX-DO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:56 -0500 Original-Received: from ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu ([128.91.252.5]:57460) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhxG-0002UQ-Bj for 12886@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:55 -0500 Original-Received: from ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2A869E351; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:17 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from [10.130.19.63] (unknown [10.130.19.63]) by ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7126969E333; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:17 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:66930 Archived-At: On 12.11.14, at 13:35, Glenn Morris wrote: > Mark A. Mandel wrote: >=20 >> I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., find commands by >> looking for substrings. >=20 > I can't find any version of Emacs in which C-h C-a runs apropos. > I went back as far as 21.1. I'm sorry, then. I must be misremembering that. >=20 >> But when I use ctl-H ctl-A I see (what I guess is) the Gnu Emacs >> welcome or general info screen >=20 > Yes, C-h C-a runs `about-emacs' since Emacs 22.2. Before that, it was > undefined. >=20 >> , and the minibuffer says something like "To search for help on a >> subject, use ctl-H ctl-A": >=20 > As we can see below in the *Messages* output, it actually says: >=20 > For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Oh, heck. > which is true, but pointless, so the messages was removed recently > and will be gone in Emacs 24.3. http://debbugs.gnu.org/12680 >=20 >> Then I tried ctl-H A, which is in the ctl-H ? help command list. That >> worked, and *that*'s what the minibuffer should say under the general >> info screen. >=20 > I disagree that the about-emacs screen needs to mention apropos. :-( Yeah. My whole report only makes sense if ctl-H ctl-A is supposed = to get you to apropos. I didn't try to reproduce the problem because I was=20= afraid I'd be bumped out of the bug report window, so I was working from=20= memory. And since I'd been looking for apropos, I took "information=20 about GNU Emacs and the GNU system" as being a description of apropos, which is only true in the most general sense.=20 Summary: Ow, sorry for wasting your time.=20 Mark Mandel >=20 >> In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29) >> of 2010-05-08 on black.local > [...] >> Recent messages: >> call-interactively: Command attempted to use minibuffer while in = minibuffer >> For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. [2 = times]