From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows-1251 language environment Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:00:25 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200310032356.54476.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310060013.52049.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310070254.LAA11795@etlken.m17n.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1066248493 29072 80.91.224.253 (15 Oct 2003 20:08:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: handa@m17n.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, jasonr@f2s.com, pogonyshev@gmx.net Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 15 22:08:10 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A9rwI-00040R-00 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:08:10 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A9rwH-0002IL-01 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:08:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9ruW-0003Ue-KZ for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:06:20 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A9rsn-0002h6-0o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:04:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A9rsG-0002Lp-JY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:04:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9rsB-00028r-8Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:03:55 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1A9ron-0007nq-DV; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:00:25 -0400 Original-To: Dave Love In-reply-to: (message from Dave Love on Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:34 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17125 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17125 See `locale-language-names' and comments in it. The major problem is interpreting the codeset part in terms of a coding system since the names are quite variable. I don't know how the equivalent is supposed to work in MS Windows & al. It sounds like you are saying that there's a more-or-less standard for GNU and Unix systems, but that Windows is different. Is that right? > In general, I would prefer to have some Emacs-native way to do set > these things, rather than rely on an external data type such as a > locale name which is not defined naturally in Emacs terms. If you don't try to interpret it, Emacs probably won't behave consistently with other programs. We are miscommunicating. Of course Emacs should pay attention to the locale, as well as it reliably can do so. What I said is that Emacs should not *rely on* an external mechanism such as locales for customization. It should provide an Emacs-natural customize mechanism *also*.