From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Refilling overrides texinfo commands Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:23:07 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200306251321.h5PDLjQ16340@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <200306262353.h5QNrc718263@eel.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1056731915 12374 80.91.224.249 (27 Jun 2003 16:38:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: storm@cua.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 27 18:38:31 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19VwE6-00036L-00 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:37:30 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19VwJB-0001fH-00 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:42:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19VwBw-0006RQ-Rd for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:35:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19VwAN-0005m8-HB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:33:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Vw33-0002pN-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:26:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Vw0C-0002Bp-GK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:23:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 19Vw0B-0000uJ-Rj; Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:23:07 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200306262353.h5QNrc718263@eel.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:53:38 -0500 (CDT)) Original-cc: karl@freefriends.org Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15302 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15302 That would have the negative effect of effectively disabling Info-hide-note-references and making the text-hiding "mandatory" instead of having it as an optional feature. Several people prefer not to have the information in question hidden and they have valid reasons for that. You are right. So I have gone back to my conclusion of a week ago, that we should stop refilling paragraphs in Info. When some xref text is hidden, the line will be shorter. That looks a little strange, but it is not really wrong. When refilling is done, the results can be positively wrong. I believe that trying to reformat Info files, as currently being attempted, makes no sense. Info is an output format, not a mark up language. Texinfo is a mark up language. So are XML and DocBook. Perhaps makeinfo is fast enough now that we could stop installing Info files and have them regenerated when users want them. If so, we could have an option to generate them in various ways (hiding xrefs, showing xrefs, etc).