From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: [pinard@iro.umontreal.ca: Emacs 21.2.92 - Bizarreness in `C-h f'] Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:52:59 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037459767 3289 80.91.224.249 (16 Nov 2002 15:16:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18D4g1-0000qv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:16:05 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18D4tR-000354-00 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:29:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18D4f9-0000bs-00; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:15:11 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18D4Jj-0004rW-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:53:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18D4Jg-0004ph-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:53:02 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18D4Jg-0004pZ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:53:00 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18D4Jf-0001YQ-00; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:52:59 -0500 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9484 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9484 This is probably caused by the fact that parse-time.el contains (defvar elt). In other words, there is confusion between the file that defines the function and the file that defines the variable. I will fix it by renaming the variable used in parse-time.el, which I think is an improvement anyway. But the bug in recording definitions is more general than this and would be good to fix. Would someone like to work on it? ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Envelope-to: rms@gnu.org Delivery-date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:03:04 -0500 Sender: pinard@titan.progiciels-bpi.ca To: Richard Stallman Subject: Emacs 21.2.92 - Bizarreness in `C-h f' From: pinard@iro.umontreal.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Fran=E7ois?= Pinard) Date: 15 Nov 2002 14:08:03 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre5 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT version=2.41 X-Spam-Level: - --=-=-= Hello, Richard. The following report still applies for Emacs 21.2.92. - --=-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-From-Line: pinard@iro.umontreal.ca Wed Sep 5 21:29:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: pinard@carouge.sram.qc.ca Received: by carouge.sram.qc.ca (Postfix, from userid 405) id 4C53631062; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Sender: pinard@carouge.sram.qc.ca To: Gerd =?iso-8859-1?q?M=F6llmann?= Subject: Emacs 21.0.105 - Bizarreness in `C-h f' X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m Lines: 30 Xref: carouge.sram.qc.ca mail.classer:38177 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Gerd. Still using Emacs 21.0.105... If I do `C-h f elt RET' in a bare Emacs session, I get: - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> elt is a built-in function. (elt SEQUENCE N) Return element of SEQUENCE at index N. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------< If now, I do `M-x load-library RET parse-time RET', and retry `C-h f': - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> elt is a built-in function in `parse-time'. (elt SEQUENCE N) Return element of SEQUENCE at index N. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------< In that `*Help*' window, `TAB RET' yields: - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Cannot find definition of `elt' in library `parse-time' - ----------------------------------------------------------------------< I'm tempted to think that some of the later replies are not normal. - -- François Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard - --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - -- François Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard - --=-=-=-- ------- End of forwarded message -------