From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Fuchs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:17:45 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> <87adqyz047.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021706466 16301 127.0.0.1 (18 May 2002 07:21:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Francesco Potorti` , rms@gnu.org, eliz@is.elta.co.il, Kai.Grossjohann@cs.uni-dortmund.de, mlang@delysid.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 178yWY-0004Eo-00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 09:21:06 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 178yjP-0000uC-00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 09:34:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178yWg-0003Fu-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 03:21:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.ycn.com ([212.88.160.3]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178yTh-00037X-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 03:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eris.void.at (mail@212-88-187-152.ADSL.ycn.com [212.88.187.152]) by mail.ycn.com (8.11.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id g4I7JEk16567; Sat, 18 May 2002 09:19:15 +0200 Original-Received: from asf by eris.void.at with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 178yTJ-0000IV-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 09:17:45 +0200 Mail-Copies-To: never X-Url: http://asf.void.at/ Original-To: Miles Bader X-Attribution: asf X-Face: 3*3w/y?I6|`'CYW7F~m0]U1)L\|[x"?/V6^;s3FU#q|F'AL(3C?$eslHvAmR:KjT"&LZeqM 0wMS%HM` Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4083 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4083 Today, Miles Bader wrote: > Francesco Potorti` writes: >> I think that using C-f instead of the arrow key is very advanced >> usage. It is only useful for very fast typists or people that >> routinely use all sort of keyboards and setups, so they cannot rely >> on arrows. > That's silly. C-f &c are much better for _anyone_ who can touch-type, > because the (usually very long) reach for the arrow keys causes a lot > of disruption. I agree. Yet, I see Eli's point that cursor keys should at least be mentioned as working as expected in emacs, maybe by giving the reason why there are other keys which do the same (easier and faster to type, consistency with M-p, etc.). -- Andreas Fuchs, , asf@jabber.at, antifuchs