From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Fuchs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:10:23 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021558333 29906 127.0.0.1 (16 May 2002 14:12:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kai.Grossjohann@cs.uni-dortmund.de, rms@gnu.org, mlang@delysid.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 178LzJ-0007mF-00 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 16:12:13 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 178MBK-0004Oq-00 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 16:24:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178LzH-0005cU-00; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.ycn.com ([212.88.160.3]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178Lxo-0005O8-00; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:10:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eris.void.at (mail@212-88-187-152.ADSL.ycn.com [212.88.187.152]) by mail.ycn.com (8.11.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id g4GEBII14763; Thu, 16 May 2002 16:11:19 +0200 Original-Received: from asf by eris.void.at with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 178LxX-0005lA-00; Thu, 16 May 2002 16:10:23 +0200 Mail-Copies-To: never X-Url: http://asf.void.at/ Original-To: Eli Zaretskii X-Attribution: asf X-Face: 3*3w/y?I6|`'CYW7F~m0]U1)L\|[x"?/V6^;s3FU#q|F'AL(3C?$eslHvAmR:KjT"&LZeqM 0wMS%HM` Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4003 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4003 Today, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > IMHO, the tutorial needs to be reworked, now that basic cursor motion > is no longer a mystery for novices. So the "BASIC CURSOR CONTROL" > section should be a lot shorter than it is now. It should just tell > that cursor motion keys ``work as usual'', and show the keyboard > equivalents of the editing keys (C-n for , C-f for , > etc.), telling the new users they are advised to learn them because > those keys allow for faster typing. Actually, I think it is a good idea to have newbies use the C-n, C-p etc. bindings. They reduce hand movements, keep the fingers on the relevant keys and increase typing speed. Getting used to them is a little hard, but is essential when it comes to move-by-word, m-b-paragraph and m-b-sexp navigation, IMHO. > [...] We could then add to the tutorial stuff that is important, but > isn't there, without risking to bloat the file too much. Some ideas > for things to add: > > - Options menu and Customize > - Frames > - Region and the mark > - Command history in the minibuffer > - M-x compile and M-x grep I think this is a good idea; Had I signed emacs papers, I would volunteer to write the necessary sections (at least in german, don't know how much you like my english (-:). -- Andreas Fuchs, , asf@jabber.at, antifuchs