From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tree-sitter maturity Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86plldwb7w.fsf@gnu.org> <86h66pw4sd.fsf@gnu.org> <86bjwxw39z.fsf@gnu.org> <84CBC8F0-A904-4003-820B-C5E2EE30869E@dancol.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27164"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: rms@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, manphiz@gmail.com To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 29 08:06:25 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tRnNY-0006uc-Fq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 08:06:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRnMq-0000nz-RP; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:05:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRnMm-0000nj-Bo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:05:37 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRnMk-00066D-0Z; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:05:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:CC:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Uy6NMkpzVq/S44ZVG8fmDczWQVjXQ1VJLnaZMlH0eqo=; b=asBvJBamJ81cFEQz/OM1qJ/c3h ePfhEm1bRXvlKaLUTfoXdQY+0lZMcJKZ7o16r38mP+WyroG4OdLeH5BS8oDbvl1xE29Zn4ZxLnf7z X4nwF2r+KHgmr1ziY5yV+Hs7qOtPI57bzvGOaluTeLwMfqBcqj/OzPoDsvJrGvSj6ANdvf/L6KtCa Q+Q611LUnKV6UexEmEkGnf9bi7NpBNU2ch0fokCND8t5BDecjvu1THKAe67oBDK90JWZLQWCZKeWf q7Vyx8dhRNBbXwS/Uvbxoz24FQVyF+/HxhKtcubdFaZ7YPU+2CtxUG242ICU6YEjpXL5es6AF3y7h lc60EetQ==; Original-Received: from 2603-9001-4203-1ab2-8c81-c450-971b-d6ef.inf6.spectrum.com ([2603:9001:4203:1ab2:8c81:c450:971b:d6ef]:41530 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tRnMd-0005UI-0q; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:05:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327317 Archived-At: On December 29, 2024 1:54:57 AM EST, tomas@tuxteam=2Ede wrote: >On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 01:43:28AM -0500, Daniel Colascione wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> On December 29, 2024 1:41:28 AM EST, tomas@tuxteam=2Ede wrote: >> >On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 11:21:10PM -0500, Daniel Colascione wrote: > >[including treesitter grammars in Emacs] > >> >> >But there are practical eeasons why we MIGHT not want to include th= ose >> >> >grammar files in Emacs at all=2E >> >> > >> >>=20 >> >>=20 >> >> Such as? >> > >> >More difficult to get rid of? >> > >> >Cheers >>=20 >>=20 >> Can you elaborate? > >Sure=2E I observe that the whole treesitter culture is one far >away from the Gnu culture=2E So I adopt a careful "wait and see" >approach=2E I'll compile my Emacs without tree sitter support >for as long as I don't understand the situation=2E Perhaps I'll >want to avoid the whole thing forever, it depends=2E > >This will become the more and more difficult the more TS grammars >start displacing regular Emacs grammars=2E > >Cheers I'm honestly confused=2E Tree sitter grammars are free software=2E How are= they "far away from GNU culture"? Is "Gnu culture" just doing what we were= doing in 2010, but over and over again, forever?