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From: arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Better documentation for non-binding clauses of if-let and friends
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:28:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DU2PR02MB10109FAD6856DDB956AA1904596582@DU2PR02MB10109.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> (raw)

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>   I rather agree with Joost on that other thread regarding the
>   usefulness of the FOO-let macros and their condition-only,
>   non-binding clauses.
>
>I don't think anyone is arguing about their usefulness, only that the
>macros are too smart for their own good.

I think I will start argue against while-let usefulness :).

Now when I have seen that while-let is a special case of named-let,
I think that while-let is a bad construct for some reasons:

1. it is not general
2. the special case in which it does not work is hidden
3. the semantic of "read-only" loop variables is uncommon and unexpected

>   > There is no mention of this in the manual, that only says that SPEC is
>   > like the one in LET*.

That is the gotcha that got me: it says SPEC is "like let*", so this "-let*"
in the name take my mind to believe it established ordinary let*-bindings.
However, in while-let, these are not ordinary, but read-only. So they are
not the same, since they don't obey the ordinary behavior of let* bindings.

>   But I agree with you that the manual is incomplete or even
>   wrong here.

If that semantic of while-let is desirable to have, than the manual would
have to catch the details of while-let and its non-general nature, read-only
semantic of bindings and perhaps mention the named-let as a more general
 alternative.

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             reply	other threads:[~2024-11-11  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-11  9:28 arthur miller [this message]
2024-11-11  9:58 ` Better documentation for non-binding clauses of if-let and friends Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-11 10:23   ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-11 10:26   ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-11 10:53     ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-11 11:18       ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-11 21:21     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-11 22:51       ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-12  0:26         ` Drew Adams
2024-11-12  8:07           ` Joost Kremers
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-11-08 16:25 Is this a bug in while-let or do I missunderstand it? arthur miller
2024-11-09  9:29 ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-09 13:03   ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-09 13:15     ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-09 13:38       ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-09 13:41         ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-09 13:47           ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-09 14:04             ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-09 16:33               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-09 16:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-09 18:07                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-09 18:18                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-09 20:02                       ` Jens Schmidt
2024-11-10 11:44                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-10 12:24                           ` Better documentation for non-binding clauses of if-let and friends Jens Schmidt
2024-11-10 14:51                             ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-10 16:58                               ` Jens Schmidt
2024-11-11 10:03                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-11  8:20                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt

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