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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316014 Archived-At: "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > > I am not sure if Alfred meant that in his first message, perhaps he did, but > > Drew seems to be more in line with that thinking. At least I understand him so. > > > > I'm not alluding to any specific design principle, the core issue at > > hand is communicating with the person reading the code. > > Yes, that is how I understand you; but I'll answer same as to Drew; I don't > agree that this is the best way of expressing the intention. > > Both pcase and cl-case in this particular simple context I have posted, express > the intention equally well. [...] > > We disagree to the point that there cannot be any agreement on the > topic Than lets agree to disagree and move on. Anyway, thank you for your input! Best regards /arthur