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A guess is that > > this is about last file modification time, but one could think it's > > about file creation time etc. > > > > Please clarify the meaning. >=20 > "Newer" means newer, in its literal meaning. How this translates into > the file's attributes (if that is not obvious) is implementation > details. >=20 > There's no need to and no sense in "clarifying" in our documentation > the meaning of words which are used literally. >=20 > Closing. It's not about any implementation details. It's about what's meant here by "newer". And the answer is that it's about the recentness of the last modification. What's newer? That's the question. Assuming a "literal" meaning of "newer" doesn't help at all. What kind of newness? Check a thesaurus for "newer"/"new". E.g.: "Having just (or relatively recently) come=A0into =A0being or been made or acquired or discovered" "Recently created or having started to exist recently" That's about _creation_, not modification. You have a 2024 Ferrari, just out of the showroom - never been touched. I have a 1998 Toyota, with recent modifications/repairs. Which is "newer"? According to what you feel is obvious, it's my '98 Toyota that's newer: more recently modified - more recent last modification. And besides time of last file modification, there are file creation time, last access time, and last status-change time. Please make the minor clarification that lets users know that this is about last-modification date. It won't take much time.