RE: writing Python in Emacs

RE: writing Python in Emacs

[Drew Adams]

> >> I need the following features:
> >> 1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
> >> enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to
> >> show a buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible
> >> completions.
>
> > I use hippie expand (M-/) to cycle through possible completions.
>
> Also known as dabbrev-expand, and tied to Ctrl-TAB.

`hippie-expand' and `dabbrev-expand' are different. And neither is bound to
C-TAB (by default), AFAIK. `hippie-expand' is not bound to any keys by
default, but people often bind it to M-/. See node Hippie Expand in the
Emacs manual.

> I like it *a lot*, and I like it even more because it *isn't* Python
> aware. I can use the same function no matter what I am typing, often
> with files noone would dream of writing a mode for.

> >> In an ideal world, it would be able to complete fo.ba<TAB> to
> >> foo.bar. I imagine this would require quite tight Emacs-Python
> >> integration.

You can use `C-M-/', bound to `dabbrev-completion', to use completion
instead of cycling to choose one of several matches. However, in vanilla
Emacs, this is only prefix completion.

If you use Icicles, then `C-M-/' is enhanced to give you apropos completion,
in addition to prefix completion. That is, what you type can match a regexp
(e.g. substring), not just a prefix. So, for example, you could complete
fo.ba or fo.*ba or f.*b or oba or bar to foobar.

Icicles also lets you cycle among your input matches. You can access them in
any order, and you need not run through each match while cycling - you can
access individual matches directly.

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Icicles_-_Completion_in_Other_Buffers#
DynamicAbbreviation

> >> 4) (optional) I would like to see the definition of a function
> >> function or class by hitting M-. on its name. (I understand that
> >> this may be impossible for methods, as Emacs would have to
> >> automagically infer the type of the object).
> >
> > This is just an emacs tag file need. Have you googled for
> > something like emacs tags python?
>
> Tags works fine, or at least as well as can be expected.  I use the
> 'etags' which comes with 'ctags', apparently.

Tags are always a good solution. One of the best things Emacs has ever
offered the world, and available from its birth.

Another approach, which has advantages and disadvantages, is to use Imenu.
(This assumes that Python mode is Imenu-aware.)

If you use Icicles, then you can use C-' (`icicle-imenu') to browse any
definitions that Imenu can recognize, cycling among those that match your
input (regexp) or accessing them directly. You can do this across any number
of files or buffers at once.

This is a great way to bounce around among definitions. The definitions act
as completion candidates. *Completions* is dynamically updated to show you
those that match your current input.

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Icicles_-_Other_Search_Commands#Icicle
sImenu

Again, this assumes that Python mode is Imenu-aware. Dunno if it is. If not,
you can make it aware by defining the appropriate regexps.

HTH.

RE: writing Python in Emacs

[Drew Adams]

I wrote:

> See node Hippie Expand in the Emacs manual.

I should have said "See node Abbrev in the Emacs manual.
That node refers you to node Hippie Expand in the Autotype manual.

Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Richard G Riley]

"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> I wrote:
>
>> See node Hippie Expand in the Emacs manual.
>
> I should have said "See node Abbrev in the Emacs manual.
> That node refers you to node Hippie Expand in the Autotype manual.

To be slightly pedantic, it's node "Abbrevs" in mine :-;

Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Terry Jones]

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Szopa <ryszard.szopa@gmail.com> writes:

Richard> I am a devoted Emacs user and I write a lot in Python.

Me too.

Richard> I need the following features:

Richard> 1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
Richard> enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to
Richard> show a buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible
Richard> completions. In an ideal world, it would be able to complete
Richard> fo.ba<TAB> to foo.bar. I imagine this would require quite tight
Richard> Emacs-Python integration.

I know this is not what you want, but I use hippie expand (M-/) to cycle
through possible completions. It's not Python aware, but it is of some use.

Richard> 2) Sending the toplevel definition (class or function) to the Python
Richard> buffer.

I switched to IPython to have better interaction with a spawned Python.

To use IPython you need to use the Python mode that is NOT the one from
(endorsed?) by the FSF. It gives you some completion (at least in the
*Python* buffer) and you can send pieces of the buffer to the python
process, via py-send-region (C-c |), py-execute-def-or-class (M-C-x), etc.

Richard> 3) Hints on function/method arguments. IDLE has this done nearly
Richard> right, but the hints are a bit too intrusive for me. I would like to
Richard> see them in the minibuffer.

I don't have this.

Richard> 4) (optional) I would like to see the definition of a function
Richard> function or class by hitting M-. on its name. (I understand that
Richard> this may be impossible for methods, as Emacs would have to
Richard> automagically infer the type of the object).

This is just an emacs tag file need. Have you googled for something like
emacs tags python? The issue of methods might be overcome by just moving
through tags with the same name. Yes, that requires _you_ to know when
you've hit the right thing. That's not optimal, but it's better than
nothing. Ideally you could send the definition to IPython, ask it for the
class info, and use that to jump to the right tag.

Richard> I have tried a couple of times both python-modes (the one shipped w/
Richard> Python and the one shipped w/ Emacs), pymacs and stuff like that...
Richard> And, as I said, never got it right. But, maybe I just cannot find the
Richard> way to configure it, and some configuration hints will be enough...

If you have the time, please summarize your findings. The emacs/python
world has always seemed quite amorphous to me too.

Terry

Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Thierry Volpiatto]

I add just a note about ipython:
if you use a version > 0.6.15 may be you will have a bad output
on error like:

        == "     ":
instead of:
if __name__ == "__main__":

all the characters are missing.

To avoid that, run in ipython:
%upgrade -nolegacy

uncomment in ~/.ipython/ipy_user_config.py:
import ipy_defaults

restart emacs and try a .py with some syntax errors.
It should be ok now.

Terry Jones <terry@jon.es> writes:

>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Szopa <ryszard.szopa@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Richard> I am a devoted Emacs user and I write a lot in Python.
>
> Me too.
>
> Richard> I need the following features:
>
> Richard> 1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
> Richard> enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to
> Richard> show a buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible
> Richard> completions. In an ideal world, it would be able to complete
> Richard> fo.ba<TAB> to foo.bar. I imagine this would require quite tight
> Richard> Emacs-Python integration.
>
> I know this is not what you want, but I use hippie expand (M-/) to cycle
> through possible completions. It's not Python aware, but it is of some use.
>
> Richard> 2) Sending the toplevel definition (class or function) to the Python
> Richard> buffer.
>
> I switched to IPython to have better interaction with a spawned Python.
>
> To use IPython you need to use the Python mode that is NOT the one from
> (endorsed?) by the FSF. It gives you some completion (at least in the
> *Python* buffer) and you can send pieces of the buffer to the python
> process, via py-send-region (C-c |), py-execute-def-or-class (M-C-x), etc.
>
> Richard> 3) Hints on function/method arguments. IDLE has this done nearly
> Richard> right, but the hints are a bit too intrusive for me. I would like to
> Richard> see them in the minibuffer.
>
> I don't have this.
>
> Richard> 4) (optional) I would like to see the definition of a function
> Richard> function or class by hitting M-. on its name. (I understand that
> Richard> this may be impossible for methods, as Emacs would have to
> Richard> automagically infer the type of the object).
>
> This is just an emacs tag file need. Have you googled for something like
> emacs tags python? The issue of methods might be overcome by just moving
> through tags with the same name. Yes, that requires _you_ to know when
> you've hit the right thing. That's not optimal, but it's better than
> nothing. Ideally you could send the definition to IPython, ask it for the
> class info, and use that to jump to the right tag.
>
> Richard> I have tried a couple of times both python-modes (the one shipped w/
> Richard> Python and the one shipped w/ Emacs), pymacs and stuff like that...
> Richard> And, as I said, never got it right. But, maybe I just cannot find the
> Richard> way to configure it, and some configuration hints will be enough...
>
> If you have the time, please summarize your findings. The emacs/python
> world has always seemed quite amorphous to me too.
>
> Terry
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>

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Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Jorgen Grahn]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.lang.python.]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:51:50 +0100, Terry Jones <terry@jon.es> wrote:
>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Szopa <ryszard.szopa@gmail.com> writes:
>
>Richard> I am a devoted Emacs user and I write a lot in Python.
>
> Me too.
>
>Richard> I need the following features:
>
>Richard> 1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
>Richard> enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to
>Richard> show a buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible
>Richard> completions. In an ideal world, it would be able to complete
>Richard> fo.ba<TAB> to foo.bar. I imagine this would require quite tight
>Richard> Emacs-Python integration.
>
> I know this is not what you want, but I use hippie expand (M-/) to cycle
> through possible completions. It's not Python aware, but it is of some use.

Also known as dabbrev-expand, and tied to Ctrl-TAB.

I like it *a lot*, and I like it even more because it *isn't* Python
aware. I can use the same function no matter what I am typing, often
with files noone would dream of writing a mode for.

...
>Richard> 4) (optional) I would like to see the definition of a function
>Richard> function or class by hitting M-. on its name. (I understand that
>Richard> this may be impossible for methods, as Emacs would have to
>Richard> automagically infer the type of the object).
>
> This is just an emacs tag file need. Have you googled for something like
> emacs tags python?

Tags works fine, or at least as well as can be expected.  I use the
'etags' which comes with 'ctags', apparently.

> If you have the time, please summarize your findings. The emacs/python
> world has always seemed quite amorphous to me too.

I don't know; python-mode colorizes well and it knows how to help me
keep the indentation sane.  The Eclipse users I have seen seem to have
more problems than I have, for example.

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu
\X/     snipabacken.se>          R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Rob Wolfe]

Terry Jones <terry@jon.es> writes:

>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Szopa <ryszard.szopa@gmail.com> writes:

I don't see Richard's original post, so I reply to Terry.

>
> Richard> I am a devoted Emacs user and I write a lot in Python.
>
> Me too.

The good news is that I managed to configure completion for Python 
in Emacs using pymacs, python-mode.el, pycomplete.el and pycomplete.py.
For contents of my pycomplete.el, pycomplete.py and necessary
settings in .emacs see below.

>
> Richard> I need the following features:
>
> Richard> 1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
> Richard> enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to
> Richard> show a buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible
> Richard> completions. In an ideal world, it would be able to complete
> Richard> fo.ba<TAB> to foo.bar. I imagine this would require quite tight
> Richard> Emacs-Python integration.

Works for me.

[...]

> Richard> 2) Sending the toplevel definition (class or function) to the Python
> Richard> buffer.

That feature is defined in python-mode.el:
"\e\C-x"    'py-execute-def-or-class
"\C-c|"     'py-execute-region


[...]

> Richard> 3) Hints on function/method arguments. IDLE has this done nearly
> Richard> right, but the hints are a bit too intrusive for me. I would like to
> Richard> see them in the minibuffer.

Works for me, but only for pure python functions 
(`inspect.getargspec` constraint).

[...]

> Richard> I have tried a couple of times both python-modes (the one shipped w/
> Richard> Python and the one shipped w/ Emacs), pymacs and stuff like that...
> Richard> And, as I said, never got it right. But, maybe I just cannot find the
> Richard> way to configure it, and some configuration hints will be enough...

I mixed solutions found around the net and finally got it working:
- hitting TAB complete function/method name
- f1 shows description of object at point
- hitting '(' and ',' shows function parameters

Copy `pycomplete.py` on your PYTHONPATH (e.g. /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages)
and `pycomplete.el` on your Emacs load_path (e.g. /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp).
Copy my settings to your `.emacs` file and hopefully it will work. ;)

My files:

# .emacs
(require 'pycomplete)
(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.py$" . python-mode) auto-mode-alist))
(autoload 'python-mode "python-mode" "Python editing mode." t)

(autoload 'pymacs-load "pymacs" nil t)
(autoload 'pymacs-eval "pymacs" nil t)
(autoload 'pymacs-apply "pymacs")
(autoload 'pymacs-call "pymacs")

(setq interpreter-mode-alist(cons '("python" . python-mode) 
                                  interpreter-mode-alist))
(setq python-mode-hook
      '(lambda () (progn
                    (set-variable 'py-python-command "/usr/bin/python2.5")
                    (set-variable 'py-indent-offset 4)
                    (set-variable 'py-smart-indentation nil)
                    (set-variable 'indent-tabs-mode nil))))
# end of .emacs


# pycomplete.el
(require 'pymacs)
(require 'python-mode)

(pymacs-load "pycomplete")


;;check if prev character is blank-type
(defun char-before-blank ()
  (save-excursion
  (forward-char -1)
  (looking-at "[\n\t\r]")))

(defun py-complete ()
  (interactive)
  (let ((pymacs-forget-mutability t))
    (if (and 
         (and (eolp) (not (bolp)) 
         (not (char-before-blank))))
      (insert (pycomplete-pycomplete (py-symbol-near-point) (py-find-global-imports)))
      (indent-for-tab-command))))

(defun py-find-global-imports ()
  (save-excursion
    (let ((imports nil))
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (while (re-search-forward
          "\\(import \\|from \\([A-Za-z_][A-Za-z_0-9\\.]*\\) import \\).*"
          nil t)
        (setq imports 
              (append imports (list (buffer-substring
                                     (match-beginning 0) 
                                     (match-end 0))))))
      imports)))


(defun py-complete-python-dotexpr-begin nil
  (interactive)
  (re-search-backward "[^a-zA-Z_0-9\\.]")
  (forward-char))


(defun py-complete-python-dotexpr-end nil
  (interactive)
  (re-search-forward "[a-zA-Z_0-9\\.]*"))

(put 'python-dotexpr 'beginning-op 'py-complete-python-dotexpr-begin)
(put 'python-dotexpr 'end-op 'py-complete-python-dotexpr-end)


(defun py-complete-show (string)
  (display-message-or-buffer string "*PythonHelp*"))


(defun py-complete-help (string)
  "get help on a python expression"
  (let ((help-string 
         (pycomplete-pyhelp string (py-find-global-imports))))
    (if (and help-string (> (length help-string) 300))
        (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Python Help*"
          (print help-string))
      (py-complete-show help-string))))


(defun py-complete-help-thing-at-point nil
  (interactive)
  (require 'thingatpt)
  (let ((sym (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr)))
    (if sym
        (py-complete-help sym))))


(set 'py-complete-current-signature nil)

(defun py-complete-signature (function)
  "get signature of a python function or method"
  (interactive)
  (set 'py-complete-current-signature
       (pycomplete-pysignature function)))


(defun py-complete-signature-show nil
  (interactive)
  (require 'thingatpt) 
  (let ((sym (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr)))
    (if sym
        (progn 
          (py-complete-show (py-complete-signature sym))))))


(defun py-complete-signature-expr nil
  (interactive)
  (require 'thingatpt)
  (let ((dotexpr (read-string "signature on: "
                              (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr))))
    (if dotexpr
        (py-complete-show
         (py-complete-signature dotexpr)))))


(defun py-complete-electric-lparen nil
  "electricly insert '(', and try to get a signature for the stuff to the left"
  (interactive)
  (py-complete-signature-show)
  (self-insert-command 1))


(defun py-complete-electric-comma nil
  "electricly insert ',', and redisplay latest signature"
  (interactive)
  (self-insert-command 1)
  (if py-complete-current-signature
      (py-complete-show (format "%s" py-complete-current-signature))))


(define-key py-mode-map "\M-\C-i" 'py-complete)
(define-key py-mode-map "\t" 'py-complete)
(define-key py-mode-map [f1] 'py-complete-help-thing-at-point)
(define-key py-mode-map "(" 'py-complete-electric-lparen)
(define-key py-mode-map "," 'py-complete-electric-comma)
(define-key py-mode-map [f2] 'py-complete-signature-expr)

(provide 'pycomplete)
# end of pycomplete.el


# pycomplete.py
import sys
import inspect
from StringIO import StringIO
import os.path

try:
    x = set
except NameError:
    from sets import Set as set
else:
    del x

from Pymacs import lisp


sys.path.append('.')


def pycomplete(s, imports=None, debug=False):
    """Display completion in Emacs window"""
    completions = _get_all_completions(s, imports)
    dots = s.split(".")
    result = os.path.commonprefix([k[len(dots[-1]):] for k in completions])

    if result == "":
        if completions:
            if debug:
                width = 80
            else:
                width = lisp.window_width() - 2

            column = width / 20
            white = " " * 20
            msg = ""

            counter = 0
            for completion in completions :
                if len(completion) < 20 :
                    msg += completion + white[len(completion):]
                    counter += 1
                else :
                    msg += completion + white[len(completion) - 20:]
                    counter += 2

                if counter >= column:
                    counter = 0
                    msg += '\n'

        else:
            msg = "no completions!"
        if debug:
            print msg
        else:
            lisp.message(msg)
    return result       


def pyhelp(s, imports=None):
    """Return object description"""
    _import_modules(imports, globals(), None)
    return _getdoc(s)
        

def pysignature(s):
    """Return info about function parameters"""
    f = None
    try:
        f = eval(s)
    except Exception, ex:
        return "%s" % ex

    if inspect.ismethod(f):
        f = f.im_func
    if not inspect.isfunction(f):
        return ''
    (args, varargs, varkw, defaults) = inspect.getargspec(f)
    return('%s: %s'
           % (f.__name__, inspect.formatargspec(args,varargs,varkw,defaults)))


def _getdoc(s):
    """Return string printed by `help` function"""
    obj = None
    try:
        obj = eval(s)
    except Exception, ex:
        return "%s" % ex
    out = StringIO()
    old = sys.stdout
    sys.stdout = out
    help(obj)
    sys.stdout = old
    return out.getvalue()


def _import_modules(imports, dglobals, dlocals):
    """If given, execute import statements"""
    
    if imports is not None:
        for stmt in imports:
            try:
                exec stmt in dglobals, dlocals
            except TypeError:
                raise TypeError, 'invalid type: %s' % stmt
            except:
                continue


def _get_all_completions(s, imports=None):
    """Return contextual completion of s (string of >= zero chars)"""
    
    dlocals = {}
    _import_modules(imports, globals(), dlocals)
    dots = s.split(".") 
    if not s or len(dots) == 1:
        keys = set()
        keys.update(dlocals.keys())
        keys.update(globals().keys())
        import __builtin__
        keys.update(dir(__builtin__))
        keys = list(keys)
        keys.sort()
        if s:
            return [k for k in keys if k.startswith(s)]
        else:
            return keys

    sym = None
    for i in range(1, len(dots)):
        s = ".".join(dots[:i])   
        try:
            sym = eval(s, globals(), dlocals)
        except NameError:
            try:
                sym = __import__(s, globals(), dlocals, [])
            except ImportError:
                return []
    if sym is not None:  
        s = dots[-1]     
        return [k for k in dir(sym) if k.startswith(s)]


def _test():
    print ' ->', pycomplete('', debug=True)
    print 'sys.get ->', pycomplete('sys.get', debug=True)
    print 'settr ->', pycomplete('settr', debug=True)
    print 'settr (plat in context) ->',
    print pycomplete('settr', imports=['from sys import settrace'], debug=True)
    print 'foo. ->', pycomplete('foo.', debug=True)
    print 'Enc (email * imported) ->', 
    print pycomplete('Enc', imports=['from email import *'], debug=True)
    print 'E (email * imported) ->',
    print pycomplete('E', imports=['from email import *'], debug=True)
    print 'Enc ->', pycomplete('Enc', debug=True)
    print 'E ->', pycomplete('E', debug=True)


if __name__ == "__main__":
    _test()
# end of pycomplete.py


HTH,
Rob

Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Thierry Volpiatto]

Your code work really well for me,
Thank you very much. :)

Rob Wolfe <rw@smsnet.pl> writes:

> Terry Jones <terry@jon.es> writes:
>
>>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Szopa <ryszard.szopa@gmail.com> writes:
>
> I don't see Richard's original post, so I reply to Terry.
>
>>
>> Richard> I am a devoted Emacs user and I write a lot in Python.
>>
>> Me too.
>
> The good news is that I managed to configure completion for Python 
> in Emacs using pymacs, python-mode.el, pycomplete.el and pycomplete.py.
> For contents of my pycomplete.el, pycomplete.py and necessary
> settings in .emacs see below.
>
>>
>> Richard> I need the following features:
>>
>> Richard> 1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
>> Richard> enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to
>> Richard> show a buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible
>> Richard> completions. In an ideal world, it would be able to complete
>> Richard> fo.ba<TAB> to foo.bar. I imagine this would require quite tight
>> Richard> Emacs-Python integration.
>
> Works for me.
>
> [...]
>
>> Richard> 2) Sending the toplevel definition (class or function) to the Python
>> Richard> buffer.
>
> That feature is defined in python-mode.el:
> "\e\C-x"    'py-execute-def-or-class
> "\C-c|"     'py-execute-region
>
>
> [...]
>
>> Richard> 3) Hints on function/method arguments. IDLE has this done nearly
>> Richard> right, but the hints are a bit too intrusive for me. I would like to
>> Richard> see them in the minibuffer.
>
> Works for me, but only for pure python functions 
> (`inspect.getargspec` constraint).
>
> [...]
>
>> Richard> I have tried a couple of times both python-modes (the one shipped w/
>> Richard> Python and the one shipped w/ Emacs), pymacs and stuff like that...
>> Richard> And, as I said, never got it right. But, maybe I just cannot find the
>> Richard> way to configure it, and some configuration hints will be enough...
>
> I mixed solutions found around the net and finally got it working:
> - hitting TAB complete function/method name
> - f1 shows description of object at point
> - hitting '(' and ',' shows function parameters
>
> Copy `pycomplete.py` on your PYTHONPATH (e.g. /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages)
> and `pycomplete.el` on your Emacs load_path (e.g. /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp).
> Copy my settings to your `.emacs` file and hopefully it will work. ;)
>
> My files:
>
> # .emacs
> (require 'pycomplete)
> (setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.py$" . python-mode) auto-mode-alist))
> (autoload 'python-mode "python-mode" "Python editing mode." t)
>
> (autoload 'pymacs-load "pymacs" nil t)
> (autoload 'pymacs-eval "pymacs" nil t)
> (autoload 'pymacs-apply "pymacs")
> (autoload 'pymacs-call "pymacs")
>
> (setq interpreter-mode-alist(cons '("python" . python-mode) 
>                                   interpreter-mode-alist))
> (setq python-mode-hook
>       '(lambda () (progn
>                     (set-variable 'py-python-command "/usr/bin/python2.5")
>                     (set-variable 'py-indent-offset 4)
>                     (set-variable 'py-smart-indentation nil)
>                     (set-variable 'indent-tabs-mode nil))))
> # end of .emacs
>
>
> # pycomplete.el
> (require 'pymacs)
> (require 'python-mode)
>
> (pymacs-load "pycomplete")
>
>
> ;;check if prev character is blank-type
> (defun char-before-blank ()
>   (save-excursion
>   (forward-char -1)
>   (looking-at "[\n\t\r]")))
>
> (defun py-complete ()
>   (interactive)
>   (let ((pymacs-forget-mutability t))
>     (if (and 
>          (and (eolp) (not (bolp)) 
>          (not (char-before-blank))))
>       (insert (pycomplete-pycomplete (py-symbol-near-point) (py-find-global-imports)))
>       (indent-for-tab-command))))
>
> (defun py-find-global-imports ()
>   (save-excursion
>     (let ((imports nil))
>       (goto-char (point-min))
>       (while (re-search-forward
>           "\\(import \\|from \\([A-Za-z_][A-Za-z_0-9\\.]*\\) import \\).*"
>           nil t)
>         (setq imports 
>               (append imports (list (buffer-substring
>                                      (match-beginning 0) 
>                                      (match-end 0))))))
>       imports)))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-python-dotexpr-begin nil
>   (interactive)
>   (re-search-backward "[^a-zA-Z_0-9\\.]")
>   (forward-char))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-python-dotexpr-end nil
>   (interactive)
>   (re-search-forward "[a-zA-Z_0-9\\.]*"))
>
> (put 'python-dotexpr 'beginning-op 'py-complete-python-dotexpr-begin)
> (put 'python-dotexpr 'end-op 'py-complete-python-dotexpr-end)
>
>
> (defun py-complete-show (string)
>   (display-message-or-buffer string "*PythonHelp*"))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-help (string)
>   "get help on a python expression"
>   (let ((help-string 
>          (pycomplete-pyhelp string (py-find-global-imports))))
>     (if (and help-string (> (length help-string) 300))
>         (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Python Help*"
>           (print help-string))
>       (py-complete-show help-string))))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-help-thing-at-point nil
>   (interactive)
>   (require 'thingatpt)
>   (let ((sym (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr)))
>     (if sym
>         (py-complete-help sym))))
>
>
> (set 'py-complete-current-signature nil)
>
> (defun py-complete-signature (function)
>   "get signature of a python function or method"
>   (interactive)
>   (set 'py-complete-current-signature
>        (pycomplete-pysignature function)))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-signature-show nil
>   (interactive)
>   (require 'thingatpt) 
>   (let ((sym (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr)))
>     (if sym
>         (progn 
>           (py-complete-show (py-complete-signature sym))))))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-signature-expr nil
>   (interactive)
>   (require 'thingatpt)
>   (let ((dotexpr (read-string "signature on: "
>                               (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr))))
>     (if dotexpr
>         (py-complete-show
>          (py-complete-signature dotexpr)))))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-electric-lparen nil
>   "electricly insert '(', and try to get a signature for the stuff to the left"
>   (interactive)
>   (py-complete-signature-show)
>   (self-insert-command 1))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-electric-comma nil
>   "electricly insert ',', and redisplay latest signature"
>   (interactive)
>   (self-insert-command 1)
>   (if py-complete-current-signature
>       (py-complete-show (format "%s" py-complete-current-signature))))
>
>
> (define-key py-mode-map "\M-\C-i" 'py-complete)
> (define-key py-mode-map "\t" 'py-complete)
> (define-key py-mode-map [f1] 'py-complete-help-thing-at-point)
> (define-key py-mode-map "(" 'py-complete-electric-lparen)
> (define-key py-mode-map "," 'py-complete-electric-comma)
> (define-key py-mode-map [f2] 'py-complete-signature-expr)
>
> (provide 'pycomplete)
> # end of pycomplete.el
>
>
> # pycomplete.py
> import sys
> import inspect
> from StringIO import StringIO
> import os.path
>
> try:
>     x = set
> except NameError:
>     from sets import Set as set
> else:
>     del x
>
> from Pymacs import lisp
>
>
> sys.path.append('.')
>
>
> def pycomplete(s, imports=None, debug=False):
>     """Display completion in Emacs window"""
>     completions = _get_all_completions(s, imports)
>     dots = s.split(".")
>     result = os.path.commonprefix([k[len(dots[-1]):] for k in completions])
>
>     if result == "":
>         if completions:
>             if debug:
>                 width = 80
>             else:
>                 width = lisp.window_width() - 2
>
>             column = width / 20
>             white = " " * 20
>             msg = ""
>
>             counter = 0
>             for completion in completions :
>                 if len(completion) < 20 :
>                     msg += completion + white[len(completion):]
>                     counter += 1
>                 else :
>                     msg += completion + white[len(completion) - 20:]
>                     counter += 2
>
>                 if counter >= column:
>                     counter = 0
>                     msg += '\n'
>
>         else:
>             msg = "no completions!"
>         if debug:
>             print msg
>         else:
>             lisp.message(msg)
>     return result       
>
>
> def pyhelp(s, imports=None):
>     """Return object description"""
>     _import_modules(imports, globals(), None)
>     return _getdoc(s)
>         
>
> def pysignature(s):
>     """Return info about function parameters"""
>     f = None
>     try:
>         f = eval(s)
>     except Exception, ex:
>         return "%s" % ex
>
>     if inspect.ismethod(f):
>         f = f.im_func
>     if not inspect.isfunction(f):
>         return ''
>     (args, varargs, varkw, defaults) = inspect.getargspec(f)
>     return('%s: %s'
>            % (f.__name__, inspect.formatargspec(args,varargs,varkw,defaults)))
>
>
> def _getdoc(s):
>     """Return string printed by `help` function"""
>     obj = None
>     try:
>         obj = eval(s)
>     except Exception, ex:
>         return "%s" % ex
>     out = StringIO()
>     old = sys.stdout
>     sys.stdout = out
>     help(obj)
>     sys.stdout = old
>     return out.getvalue()
>
>
> def _import_modules(imports, dglobals, dlocals):
>     """If given, execute import statements"""
>     
>     if imports is not None:
>         for stmt in imports:
>             try:
>                 exec stmt in dglobals, dlocals
>             except TypeError:
>                 raise TypeError, 'invalid type: %s' % stmt
>             except:
>                 continue
>
>
> def _get_all_completions(s, imports=None):
>     """Return contextual completion of s (string of >= zero chars)"""
>     
>     dlocals = {}
>     _import_modules(imports, globals(), dlocals)
>     dots = s.split(".") 
>     if not s or len(dots) == 1:
>         keys = set()
>         keys.update(dlocals.keys())
>         keys.update(globals().keys())
>         import __builtin__
>         keys.update(dir(__builtin__))
>         keys = list(keys)
>         keys.sort()
>         if s:
>             return [k for k in keys if k.startswith(s)]
>         else:
>             return keys
>
>     sym = None
>     for i in range(1, len(dots)):
>         s = ".".join(dots[:i])   
>         try:
>             sym = eval(s, globals(), dlocals)
>         except NameError:
>             try:
>                 sym = __import__(s, globals(), dlocals, [])
>             except ImportError:
>                 return []
>     if sym is not None:  
>         s = dots[-1]     
>         return [k for k in dir(sym) if k.startswith(s)]
>
>
> def _test():
>     print ' ->', pycomplete('', debug=True)
>     print 'sys.get ->', pycomplete('sys.get', debug=True)
>     print 'settr ->', pycomplete('settr', debug=True)
>     print 'settr (plat in context) ->',
>     print pycomplete('settr', imports=['from sys import settrace'], debug=True)
>     print 'foo. ->', pycomplete('foo.', debug=True)
>     print 'Enc (email * imported) ->', 
>     print pycomplete('Enc', imports=['from email import *'], debug=True)
>     print 'E (email * imported) ->',
>     print pycomplete('E', imports=['from email import *'], debug=True)
>     print 'Enc ->', pycomplete('Enc', debug=True)
>     print 'E ->', pycomplete('E', debug=True)
>
>
> if __name__ == "__main__":
>     _test()
> # end of pycomplete.py
>
>
> HTH,
> Rob
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> help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs
>

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Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Thierry Volpiatto]

Oops, i have an error when i launch ipython with C-c !

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 1, in ?
NameError: name 'olors' is not defined

Where is this string ?
It seem to be 'colors'.
I didn't find it in your files

Rob Wolfe <rw@smsnet.pl> writes:

> Terry Jones <terry@jon.es> writes:
>
>>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Szopa <ryszard.szopa@gmail.com> writes:
>
> I don't see Richard's original post, so I reply to Terry.
>
>>
>> Richard> I am a devoted Emacs user and I write a lot in Python.
>>
>> Me too.
>
> The good news is that I managed to configure completion for Python 
> in Emacs using pymacs, python-mode.el, pycomplete.el and pycomplete.py.
> For contents of my pycomplete.el, pycomplete.py and necessary
> settings in .emacs see below.
>
>>
>> Richard> I need the following features:
>>
>> Richard> 1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
>> Richard> enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to
>> Richard> show a buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible
>> Richard> completions. In an ideal world, it would be able to complete
>> Richard> fo.ba<TAB> to foo.bar. I imagine this would require quite tight
>> Richard> Emacs-Python integration.
>
> Works for me.
>
> [...]
>
>> Richard> 2) Sending the toplevel definition (class or function) to the Python
>> Richard> buffer.
>
> That feature is defined in python-mode.el:
> "\e\C-x"    'py-execute-def-or-class
> "\C-c|"     'py-execute-region
>
>
> [...]
>
>> Richard> 3) Hints on function/method arguments. IDLE has this done nearly
>> Richard> right, but the hints are a bit too intrusive for me. I would like to
>> Richard> see them in the minibuffer.
>
> Works for me, but only for pure python functions 
> (`inspect.getargspec` constraint).
>
> [...]
>
>> Richard> I have tried a couple of times both python-modes (the one shipped w/
>> Richard> Python and the one shipped w/ Emacs), pymacs and stuff like that...
>> Richard> And, as I said, never got it right. But, maybe I just cannot find the
>> Richard> way to configure it, and some configuration hints will be enough...
>
> I mixed solutions found around the net and finally got it working:
> - hitting TAB complete function/method name
> - f1 shows description of object at point
> - hitting '(' and ',' shows function parameters
>
> Copy `pycomplete.py` on your PYTHONPATH (e.g. /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages)
> and `pycomplete.el` on your Emacs load_path (e.g. /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp).
> Copy my settings to your `.emacs` file and hopefully it will work. ;)
>
> My files:
>
> # .emacs
> (require 'pycomplete)
> (setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.py$" . python-mode) auto-mode-alist))
> (autoload 'python-mode "python-mode" "Python editing mode." t)
>
> (autoload 'pymacs-load "pymacs" nil t)
> (autoload 'pymacs-eval "pymacs" nil t)
> (autoload 'pymacs-apply "pymacs")
> (autoload 'pymacs-call "pymacs")
>
> (setq interpreter-mode-alist(cons '("python" . python-mode) 
>                                   interpreter-mode-alist))
> (setq python-mode-hook
>       '(lambda () (progn
>                     (set-variable 'py-python-command "/usr/bin/python2.5")
>                     (set-variable 'py-indent-offset 4)
>                     (set-variable 'py-smart-indentation nil)
>                     (set-variable 'indent-tabs-mode nil))))
> # end of .emacs
>
>
> # pycomplete.el
> (require 'pymacs)
> (require 'python-mode)
>
> (pymacs-load "pycomplete")
>
>
> ;;check if prev character is blank-type
> (defun char-before-blank ()
>   (save-excursion
>   (forward-char -1)
>   (looking-at "[\n\t\r]")))
>
> (defun py-complete ()
>   (interactive)
>   (let ((pymacs-forget-mutability t))
>     (if (and 
>          (and (eolp) (not (bolp)) 
>          (not (char-before-blank))))
>       (insert (pycomplete-pycomplete (py-symbol-near-point) (py-find-global-imports)))
>       (indent-for-tab-command))))
>
> (defun py-find-global-imports ()
>   (save-excursion
>     (let ((imports nil))
>       (goto-char (point-min))
>       (while (re-search-forward
>           "\\(import \\|from \\([A-Za-z_][A-Za-z_0-9\\.]*\\) import \\).*"
>           nil t)
>         (setq imports 
>               (append imports (list (buffer-substring
>                                      (match-beginning 0) 
>                                      (match-end 0))))))
>       imports)))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-python-dotexpr-begin nil
>   (interactive)
>   (re-search-backward "[^a-zA-Z_0-9\\.]")
>   (forward-char))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-python-dotexpr-end nil
>   (interactive)
>   (re-search-forward "[a-zA-Z_0-9\\.]*"))
>
> (put 'python-dotexpr 'beginning-op 'py-complete-python-dotexpr-begin)
> (put 'python-dotexpr 'end-op 'py-complete-python-dotexpr-end)
>
>
> (defun py-complete-show (string)
>   (display-message-or-buffer string "*PythonHelp*"))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-help (string)
>   "get help on a python expression"
>   (let ((help-string 
>          (pycomplete-pyhelp string (py-find-global-imports))))
>     (if (and help-string (> (length help-string) 300))
>         (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Python Help*"
>           (print help-string))
>       (py-complete-show help-string))))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-help-thing-at-point nil
>   (interactive)
>   (require 'thingatpt)
>   (let ((sym (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr)))
>     (if sym
>         (py-complete-help sym))))
>
>
> (set 'py-complete-current-signature nil)
>
> (defun py-complete-signature (function)
>   "get signature of a python function or method"
>   (interactive)
>   (set 'py-complete-current-signature
>        (pycomplete-pysignature function)))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-signature-show nil
>   (interactive)
>   (require 'thingatpt) 
>   (let ((sym (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr)))
>     (if sym
>         (progn 
>           (py-complete-show (py-complete-signature sym))))))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-signature-expr nil
>   (interactive)
>   (require 'thingatpt)
>   (let ((dotexpr (read-string "signature on: "
>                               (thing-at-point 'python-dotexpr))))
>     (if dotexpr
>         (py-complete-show
>          (py-complete-signature dotexpr)))))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-electric-lparen nil
>   "electricly insert '(', and try to get a signature for the stuff to the left"
>   (interactive)
>   (py-complete-signature-show)
>   (self-insert-command 1))
>
>
> (defun py-complete-electric-comma nil
>   "electricly insert ',', and redisplay latest signature"
>   (interactive)
>   (self-insert-command 1)
>   (if py-complete-current-signature
>       (py-complete-show (format "%s" py-complete-current-signature))))
>
>
> (define-key py-mode-map "\M-\C-i" 'py-complete)
> (define-key py-mode-map "\t" 'py-complete)
> (define-key py-mode-map [f1] 'py-complete-help-thing-at-point)
> (define-key py-mode-map "(" 'py-complete-electric-lparen)
> (define-key py-mode-map "," 'py-complete-electric-comma)
> (define-key py-mode-map [f2] 'py-complete-signature-expr)
>
> (provide 'pycomplete)
> # end of pycomplete.el
>
>
> # pycomplete.py
> import sys
> import inspect
> from StringIO import StringIO
> import os.path
>
> try:
>     x = set
> except NameError:
>     from sets import Set as set
> else:
>     del x
>
> from Pymacs import lisp
>
>
> sys.path.append('.')
>
>
> def pycomplete(s, imports=None, debug=False):
>     """Display completion in Emacs window"""
>     completions = _get_all_completions(s, imports)
>     dots = s.split(".")
>     result = os.path.commonprefix([k[len(dots[-1]):] for k in completions])
>
>     if result == "":
>         if completions:
>             if debug:
>                 width = 80
>             else:
>                 width = lisp.window_width() - 2
>
>             column = width / 20
>             white = " " * 20
>             msg = ""
>
>             counter = 0
>             for completion in completions :
>                 if len(completion) < 20 :
>                     msg += completion + white[len(completion):]
>                     counter += 1
>                 else :
>                     msg += completion + white[len(completion) - 20:]
>                     counter += 2
>
>                 if counter >= column:
>                     counter = 0
>                     msg += '\n'
>
>         else:
>             msg = "no completions!"
>         if debug:
>             print msg
>         else:
>             lisp.message(msg)
>     return result       
>
>
> def pyhelp(s, imports=None):
>     """Return object description"""
>     _import_modules(imports, globals(), None)
>     return _getdoc(s)
>         
>
> def pysignature(s):
>     """Return info about function parameters"""
>     f = None
>     try:
>         f = eval(s)
>     except Exception, ex:
>         return "%s" % ex
>
>     if inspect.ismethod(f):
>         f = f.im_func
>     if not inspect.isfunction(f):
>         return ''
>     (args, varargs, varkw, defaults) = inspect.getargspec(f)
>     return('%s: %s'
>            % (f.__name__, inspect.formatargspec(args,varargs,varkw,defaults)))
>
>
> def _getdoc(s):
>     """Return string printed by `help` function"""
>     obj = None
>     try:
>         obj = eval(s)
>     except Exception, ex:
>         return "%s" % ex
>     out = StringIO()
>     old = sys.stdout
>     sys.stdout = out
>     help(obj)
>     sys.stdout = old
>     return out.getvalue()
>
>
> def _import_modules(imports, dglobals, dlocals):
>     """If given, execute import statements"""
>     
>     if imports is not None:
>         for stmt in imports:
>             try:
>                 exec stmt in dglobals, dlocals
>             except TypeError:
>                 raise TypeError, 'invalid type: %s' % stmt
>             except:
>                 continue
>
>
> def _get_all_completions(s, imports=None):
>     """Return contextual completion of s (string of >= zero chars)"""
>     
>     dlocals = {}
>     _import_modules(imports, globals(), dlocals)
>     dots = s.split(".") 
>     if not s or len(dots) == 1:
>         keys = set()
>         keys.update(dlocals.keys())
>         keys.update(globals().keys())
>         import __builtin__
>         keys.update(dir(__builtin__))
>         keys = list(keys)
>         keys.sort()
>         if s:
>             return [k for k in keys if k.startswith(s)]
>         else:
>             return keys
>
>     sym = None
>     for i in range(1, len(dots)):
>         s = ".".join(dots[:i])   
>         try:
>             sym = eval(s, globals(), dlocals)
>         except NameError:
>             try:
>                 sym = __import__(s, globals(), dlocals, [])
>             except ImportError:
>                 return []
>     if sym is not None:  
>         s = dots[-1]     
>         return [k for k in dir(sym) if k.startswith(s)]
>
>
> def _test():
>     print ' ->', pycomplete('', debug=True)
>     print 'sys.get ->', pycomplete('sys.get', debug=True)
>     print 'settr ->', pycomplete('settr', debug=True)
>     print 'settr (plat in context) ->',
>     print pycomplete('settr', imports=['from sys import settrace'], debug=True)
>     print 'foo. ->', pycomplete('foo.', debug=True)
>     print 'Enc (email * imported) ->', 
>     print pycomplete('Enc', imports=['from email import *'], debug=True)
>     print 'E (email * imported) ->',
>     print pycomplete('E', imports=['from email import *'], debug=True)
>     print 'Enc ->', pycomplete('Enc', debug=True)
>     print 'E ->', pycomplete('E', debug=True)
>
>
> if __name__ == "__main__":
>     _test()
> # end of pycomplete.py
>
>
> HTH,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs
>

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Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Ryszard Szopa]

Thanks Rob. Your code should basically do the trick.

    -- Richard

Re: writing Python in Emacs

[alitosis]

Rob Wolfe wrote:
> The good news is that I managed to configure completion for Python
> in Emacs using pymacs, python-mode.el, pycomplete.el and pycomplete.py.
> For contents of my pycomplete.el, pycomplete.py and necessary
> settings in .emacs see below.

Thanks for that!  I've been hoping something like this landed on my
lap for years.

Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Thierry Volpiatto]

I started to use Ipython in emacs recently and it's quite nice.
There is not all the features you require (hints like in idle)
but the output is in color and nice for debugging.
The completion is also much better.

Richard Szopa <ryszard.szopa@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi All,
>
> I am a devoted Emacs user and I write a lot in Python. However, I
> never managed to get my Emacs configuration right for this purpose.
> There were some discussions on this, but the threads that show if I
> search the group are either old or not so relevant.
>
> I need the following features:
>
> 0) Of course, syntax coloring and so on... But this works good enough
> ootb in the two most popular python-modes.
>
> 1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
> enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to show a
> buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible completions. In an ideal
> world, it would be able to complete fo.ba<TAB> to foo.bar. I imagine
> this would require quite tight Emacs-Python integration.
>
> 2) Sending the toplevel definition (class or function) to the Python
> buffer.
>
> 3) Hints on function/method arguments. IDLE has this done nearly
> right, but the hints are a bit too intrusive for me. I would like to
> see them in the minibuffer.
>
> 4) (optional) I would like to see the definition of a function
> function or class by hitting M-. on its name. (I understand that this
> may be impossible for methods, as Emacs would have to automagically
> infer the type of the object).
>
> I have tried a couple of times both python-modes (the one shipped w/
> Python and the one shipped w/ Emacs), pymacs and stuff like that...
> And, as I said, never got it right. But, maybe I just cannot find the
> way to configure it, and some configuration hints will be enough...
>
> As for other editors, I have tried Eclipse and Komodo... But I cannot
> get used to them. As for non-emacs stuff, the most comfortable for me
> has been IDLE.
>
> Cheers and thanks in advance,
>
>     -- Richard
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Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Thierry Volpiatto wrote:
> I started to use Ipython in emacs recently and it's quite nice.
> There is not all the features you require (hints like in idle)
> but the output is in color and nice for debugging.
> The completion is also much better.


Perhaps you can write down your findings on EmacsWiki? That could make 
it easier for someone to find later.

Re: writing Python in Emacs

[Thierry Volpiatto]

What i use now is only the elisp file provided with ipython
and some settings for pylint+flymake, pdb ...etc that are already 
in emacswiki (python-mode).
So nothing really interesting at the moment.
But if i add new stuff to my config, i will write it to emacswiki.

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writing Python in Emacs

[Richard Szopa]

Hi All,

I am a devoted Emacs user and I write a lot in Python. However, I
never managed to get my Emacs configuration right for this purpose.
There were some discussions on this, but the threads that show if I
search the group are either old or not so relevant.

I need the following features:

0) Of course, syntax coloring and so on... But this works good enough
ootb in the two most popular python-modes.

1) Tab completion, ideally Slime like. That is, when there's not
enough letters to unambiguously complete a symbol, I want it to show a
buffer (w/o taking the focus) w/ the possible completions. In an ideal
world, it would be able to complete fo.ba<TAB> to foo.bar. I imagine
this would require quite tight Emacs-Python integration.

2) Sending the toplevel definition (class or function) to the Python
buffer.

3) Hints on function/method arguments. IDLE has this done nearly
right, but the hints are a bit too intrusive for me. I would like to
see them in the minibuffer.

4) (optional) I would like to see the definition of a function
function or class by hitting M-. on its name. (I understand that this
may be impossible for methods, as Emacs would have to automagically
infer the type of the object).

I have tried a couple of times both python-modes (the one shipped w/
Python and the one shipped w/ Emacs), pymacs and stuff like that...
And, as I said, never got it right. But, maybe I just cannot find the
way to configure it, and some configuration hints will be enough...

As for other editors, I have tried Eclipse and Komodo... But I cannot
get used to them. As for non-emacs stuff, the most comfortable for me
has been IDLE.

Cheers and thanks in advance,

    -- Richard