Re: using Xresources for geometry

Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Baloff]

"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>     I got the doremi-frm.el from
>     http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/doremi-frm.el by
>     clicking on the download, which opened a new page with the file in it,
>     then I copy and past into the scratch buffer, saved it in
>     /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/doremi-frm.el, put (require 'doremi-frm)
>      in the first line of my .emacs
> 
>     M-x load-file ~/.emacs cann't open load file: doremi
>     did I do something wrong?
> 
> No, you did everything right. But not enough. Emacs-Lisp libraries often
> require other libraries. In this case, `doremi-frm.el' requires `doremi.el'.
> In fact, it also requires other libraries, besides `doremi.el'.
> 
> You will see this comment in doremi-frm.el:
> 
> ;;  Library `doremi-frm' requires these libraries:
> ;;
> ;;    `avoid', `doremi', `faces', `faces+', `frame-cmds', `frame-fns',
> ;;    `hexrgb', `icomplete', `icomplete+', `misc-fns', `mwheel', `ring',
> ;;    `ring+', `strings', `thingatpt', `thingatpt+'.
> 
> Not all of those libraries are absolutely required, however. To determine
> what you absolutely need:
> 
>  - Look for `(require...)' in doremi-frm.el.
>  - Load those files.
>  - Look in those files for `(require...)'.
>  - Etc.
> 
> Any `(require...)' of this form: (require 'something nil t) is *optional* -
> the library is not absolutely required. It is the third arg `t' that signals
> this.
> 
> In `doremi-frm.el', for example you see this:
> 
>  (require 'doremi)
>  (require 'hexrgb)
>  (require 'ring+)
>  (require 'frame-fns)
>  (require 'faces+)
> 
>  (require 'frame-cmds nil t)
>  (unless (fboundp 'read-number)(require 'strings nil t))
> 
>  (eval-when-compile (require 'cl))
> 
> The first group of `require's are mandatory, for `doremi-frm.el' to work.
> 
> The second group (frame-cmds, strings) are optional.
> 
> Both of these groups are my libraries - they are not included with standard
> Emacs. So, you will need to download all libraries in the first group, for
> `doremi-frm.el' to work. (And some of those libraries might require you to
> download other libraries.) You do not need to download `frame-cmds.el' or
> `strings.el'.
> 
> The last `require' is a compile-time-only require, and library `cl.el' is a
> standard Emacs library, so you do not need to download anything for this
> dependency.
> 
> HTH.

thanks, 
is there a way to automate the handling of all those dependencies so
that I don't have to do it by hand?

RE: using Xresources for geometry

[Drew Adams]

    is there a way to automate the handling of all those [library]
    dependencies so that I don't have to do it by hand?

Don't have to what by hand?

Put all of the libraries in a directory that is in your load-path, then load
the library (doremi-frm.el) that is at the root of the dependency tree. What
is so hard about that?

You don't have to think about it - just put all the libraries in a sack and
pull the root library (doremi-frm.el) out of the sack; everything else will
follow, hanging on.

---

BTW, you might be interested in library `lib-requires.el'
(http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/lib-requires.el), which provides
these commands for keeping track of library dependencies:

 - lib-requires-tree:
   The libraries (files or features) `require'd by LIBRARY, as a tree.

 - lib-requires:
   The libraries ultimately `require'd by LIBRARY, as a flat list.

 - insert-lib-requires-as-comment:
   Insert a comment listing all libraries ultimately required by LIBRARY.

In particular, you can use `lib-requires-tree' to see which libraries
require which libraries.

However, these commands work by *loading* all of the required libraries, so
they won't help you if the libraries are not available in your load-path.

One limitation, unfortunately, is that these commands cannot distinguish
between "hard" and "soft" `require's - because Emacs does not record the
distinction. A "soft" `require' is one with a non-nil third argument: the
"required" library is in fact *optional*. These commands treat all
`require'd libraries as "required" libraries - so they are overly
conservative. But they can still help you understand what's going on.

Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Ballof]

"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>     don't know how to do the rest of the options in the Xresources
>     file which are
> 
>     emacs*Background: Black
>     emacs*Foreground: White
>     emacs*pointerColor: White
>     emacs*cursorColor: White
>     emacs*bitmapIcon: on
>     emacs*font: fixed
> 
>     and then increase the size of the font because it is too small.
>     any help is welcomed
> 
> 1. http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/SiteMap, then Search for:
> 
>  - font (or zoom) - see, e.g., page SetFonts
>  - background (or foreground) - see, e.g., HowtoChangeFrameColors
>  - pointer - see, e.g., PointerShape
> 
> 2. `M-x apropos RET cursor' (or whatever) - see, e.g., `cursor-color' and
> `cursor' face.
> 
> 3. Use `M-x grep' to search the Emacs-distribution lisp directory on your
> machine - e.g. `M-x grep RET cursor'.
> 
> 4. Search the Emacs Lisp manual.
> 
> 
> You get *one* more *free* question of this sort ;-). Fledgling, no more.

I got the doremi-frm.el from
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/doremi-frm.el by 
clicking on the download, which opened a new page with the file in it,
then I copy and past into the scratch buffer, saved it in 
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/doremi-frm.el, put (require 'doremi-frm)
 in the first line of my .emacs

M-x load-file ~/.emacs 
cann't open load file: doremi

did I do something wrong?

RE: using Xresources for geometry

[Drew Adams]

    I got the doremi-frm.el from
    http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/doremi-frm.el by
    clicking on the download, which opened a new page with the file in it,
    then I copy and past into the scratch buffer, saved it in
    /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/doremi-frm.el, put (require 'doremi-frm)
     in the first line of my .emacs

    M-x load-file ~/.emacs cann't open load file: doremi
    did I do something wrong?

No, you did everything right. But not enough. Emacs-Lisp libraries often
require other libraries. In this case, `doremi-frm.el' requires `doremi.el'.
In fact, it also requires other libraries, besides `doremi.el'.

You will see this comment in doremi-frm.el:

;;  Library `doremi-frm' requires these libraries:
;;
;;    `avoid', `doremi', `faces', `faces+', `frame-cmds', `frame-fns',
;;    `hexrgb', `icomplete', `icomplete+', `misc-fns', `mwheel', `ring',
;;    `ring+', `strings', `thingatpt', `thingatpt+'.

Not all of those libraries are absolutely required, however. To determine
what you absolutely need:

 - Look for `(require...)' in doremi-frm.el.
 - Load those files.
 - Look in those files for `(require...)'.
 - Etc.

Any `(require...)' of this form: (require 'something nil t) is *optional* -
the library is not absolutely required. It is the third arg `t' that signals
this.

In `doremi-frm.el', for example you see this:

 (require 'doremi)
 (require 'hexrgb)
 (require 'ring+)
 (require 'frame-fns)
 (require 'faces+)

 (require 'frame-cmds nil t)
 (unless (fboundp 'read-number)(require 'strings nil t))

 (eval-when-compile (require 'cl))

The first group of `require's are mandatory, for `doremi-frm.el' to work.

The second group (frame-cmds, strings) are optional.

Both of these groups are my libraries - they are not included with standard
Emacs. So, you will need to download all libraries in the first group, for
`doremi-frm.el' to work. (And some of those libraries might require you to
download other libraries.) You do not need to download `frame-cmds.el' or
`strings.el'.

The last `require' is a compile-time-only require, and library `cl.el' is a
standard Emacs library, so you do not need to download anything for this
dependency.

HTH.

using Xresources for geometry

[Baloff]

Hello
in my Xresources I have

emacs*Background: Black
emacs*Foreground: White
emacs*pointerColor: White
emacs*cursorColor: White
emacs*bitmapIcon: on
emacs*font: fixed
emacs*geometry: 160x80

the last line I changed from 80x40 but no changes happened when I
restarted emacs.

isn't suppose to work?
nothing in my .emacs which has to do with (setq initial-frame-alist
...


thanks

Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Angelina Carlton]

Baloff <washdc@wash.edu> writes:
>
> the last line I changed from 80x40 but no changes happened when I
> restarted emacs.

Xresources is read once when you log into X. 
Log in again to reread that file.
-- 
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orchid on irc.freenode.net
     brat@magma.ca
web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com
--------------------------

Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Henrik Enberg]

> From: Angelina Carlton <brat@magma.ca>
> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:18:42 -0400
> 
> Baloff <washdc@wash.edu> writes:
> >
> > the last line I changed from 80x40 but no changes happened when I
> > restarted emacs.
> 
> Xresources is read once when you log into X. 
> Log in again to reread that file.

One can run 'xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources' to add the changed resources to
the running X session.

Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Tim X]

Baloff <washdc@wash.edu> writes:

> Hello
> in my Xresources I have
> 
> emacs*Background: Black
> emacs*Foreground: White
> emacs*pointerColor: White
> emacs*cursorColor: White
> emacs*bitmapIcon: on
> emacs*font: fixed
> emacs*geometry: 160x80
> 
> the last line I changed from 80x40 but no changes happened when I
> restarted emacs.
> 
> isn't suppose to work?
> nothing in my .emacs which has to do with (setq initial-frame-alist

What window manager are you using? some window managers will
"remember" the last size you had emacs set to and will restore that
and override any geometry setting. In particular, I've been bitten by
this in the past with (I think) gnome+sawfish and KDE.

Tim


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Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Baloff]

Tim X <timx@spamto.devnul.com> writes:

> Baloff <washdc@wash.edu> writes:
> 
> > Hello
> > in my Xresources I have
> > 
> > emacs*Background: Black
> > emacs*Foreground: White
> > emacs*pointerColor: White
> > emacs*cursorColor: White
> > emacs*bitmapIcon: on
> > emacs*font: fixed
> > emacs*geometry: 160x80
> > 
> > the last line I changed from 80x40 but no changes happened when I
> > restarted emacs.
> > 
> > isn't suppose to work?
> > nothing in my .emacs which has to do with (setq initial-frame-alist
> 
> What window manager are you using? some window managers will
> "remember" the last size you had emacs set to and will restore that
> and override any geometry setting. In particular, I've been bitten by
> this in the past with (I think) gnome+sawfish and KDE.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tim Cross
> The e-mail address on this message is FALSE (obviously!). My real e-mail is
> to a company in Australia called rapttech and my login is tcross - if you 
> really need to send mail, you should be able to work it out!

gnome 2.6.1

I read this in the documentation C-h v initial-frame-alist
****************************************
* Specify X resources to give the geometry you want.
* Set `default-frame-alist' to override these options so that they
  don't affect subsequent frames.
* Set `initial-frame-alist' in a way that matches the X resources,
  to override what you put in `default-frame-alist'.
****************************************


well, I have the following

.Xresources******************************
emacs*height: 70
emacs*width: 180
emacs*top: 1
emacs*left: 1

the last lines in my .emacs are
****************************************
;;these lines should be at the end of this file
(setq initial-frame-alist '((top . 1)(left . 1)
 (width . 180)(height . 70)))
(setq default-frame-alist '((width . 180)(height . 70)))

 

>  LocalWords:  alist setq

Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Baloff]

Angelina Carlton <brat@magma.ca> writes:


> Baloff <washdc@wash.edu> writes:
> 
> >
> > the last line I changed from 80x40 but no changes happened when I
> > restarted emacs.
> 
> Xresources is read once when you log into X. 
> Log in again to reread that file.
> -- 
> -----Angelina Carlton-----
> orchid on irc.freenode.net
>      brat@magma.ca
> web:bzgirl.bakadigital.com
> --------------------------

I am trying to move those functionality from Xresources to .emacs,
those are





I managed to put in my .emacs the following

************************************************************
(setq initial-frame-alist '((top . 10)(left . 30)
			   (width . 90)(height . 50)))

(setq default-frame-alist '((width . 80)(height . 45)))
************************************************************

but don't know how to do the rest of the options in the Xresources
file which are

emacs*Background: Black
emacs*Foreground: White
emacs*pointerColor: White
emacs*cursorColor: White
emacs*bitmapIcon: on
emacs*font: fixed

and then increase the size of the font because it is too small.
any help is welcomed 

thanks

RE: using Xresources for geometry

[Drew Adams]

    don't know how to do the rest of the options in the Xresources
    file which are

    emacs*Background: Black
    emacs*Foreground: White
    emacs*pointerColor: White
    emacs*cursorColor: White
    emacs*bitmapIcon: on
    emacs*font: fixed

    and then increase the size of the font because it is too small.
    any help is welcomed

1. http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/SiteMap, then Search for:

 - font (or zoom) - see, e.g., page SetFonts
 - background (or foreground) - see, e.g., HowtoChangeFrameColors
 - pointer - see, e.g., PointerShape

2. `M-x apropos RET cursor' (or whatever) - see, e.g., `cursor-color' and
`cursor' face.

3. Use `M-x grep' to search the Emacs-distribution lisp directory on your
machine - e.g. `M-x grep RET cursor'.

4. Search the Emacs Lisp manual.


You get *one* more *free* question of this sort ;-). Fledgling, no more.

Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Ismael Valladolid Torres]

Drew Adams escribe:
>     don't know how to do the rest of the options in the Xresources
>     file which are
> 
>     emacs*Background: Black
>     emacs*Foreground: White
>     emacs*pointerColor: White
>     emacs*cursorColor: White
>     emacs*bitmapIcon: on
>     emacs*font: fixed
> 
>     and then increase the size of the font because it is too small.
>     any help is welcomed

You can go for setting default-frame-alist instead. I do it instead of
setting Xresources, so my dotemacs is portable to NT Emacs, where no
Xresources are available.

Cordially, Ismael

RE: using Xresources for geometry

[Drew Adams]

    Drew Adams escribe:
    >     don't know how to do the rest of the options in the Xresources
    >     file which are
    >     emacs*Background: Black
    >     emacs*Foreground: White
    ...

The attribution is incorrect. I did not write that; I quoted it. - Drew

Re: using Xresources for geometry

[Tim X]

Angelina Carlton <brat@magma.ca> writes:

> Baloff <washdc@wash.edu> writes:
> >
> > the last line I changed from 80x40 but no changes happened when I
> > restarted emacs.
> 
> Xresources is read once when you log into X. 
> Log in again to reread that file.
> -- 

Or just run xrdb from an xterm with the load or merge option and you
don't have to log out and back in again. handy if you have a complex X
session running.

Tim


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The e-mail address on this message is FALSE (obviously!). My real e-mail is
to a company in Australia called rapttech and my login is tcross - if you 
really need to send mail, you should be able to work it out!