From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: File menu changes (suggestions) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119300804 21786 80.91.229.2 (20 Jun 2005 20:53:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 20 22:53:23 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DkTGU-0007Q8-Id for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:53:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DkTMm-0008PI-Dg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:59:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DkTM7-0008GO-EC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:58:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DkTLv-00088z-QK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:58:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DkTLv-00087Q-GJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:58:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.230] (helo=agminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DkTEP-0001Ly-D1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:50:57 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5KKm8aX017462 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:48:08 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5KKm7MT017447 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:48:08 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j5KKm7u4028858 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:48:07 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j5KKm64H028851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:48:06 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39198 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39198 We are miscommunicating: I didn't mean the name of the Lisp function, I meant the command name that appears in the menu. > - The command name is irrelevant here. I disagree. Obviously, if I thought you were speaking of the Lisp command name, then that is what I meant was irrelevant here. And the menu command name is obviously relevant to the menu command name (!). And the rest of the line you quote read "Again: `yank'.", making it even clearer that I meant that the Lisp command name was irrelevant to the menu command name. Is that what you disagree with? > > 5. Move all of the window and frame stuff to a new > > menu, "Frames". > > Not good: we have a crammed menu bar already, adding more > top-level > items would only make things worse with no real advantage. > > Agreed. But 1) this stuff has little to do with "File"; 2) use of a > "Windows" menu, having a similar purpose, is common in other apps; Richard didn't want that, since in Emacs, `window' means something different. I proposed "Frames", not "Windows" - see just above. I simply mentioned that a menu (called "Windows") with a similar purpose is a common occurrence. > Another possible renaming I forgot to mention is "Split Window". The window > is not split to result in a single window with a divider. "New Window" would > be a better name for this menu item. I think other applications use the same name. Perhaps just "Split" would be better, I don't know. Verbs without objects in the File menu should, by default, refer to the default object for that menu, which is the current file/buffer. "Split" by itself would not suggest that a new window was to be created. It might suggest that the current file/buffer would be split, but that is not what happens. What's wrong with "New Window" for the menu command to create a new window?