From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Emacs documentation. Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1191118792 28295 80.91.229.12 (30 Sep 2007 02:19:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:19:52 +0000 (UTC) To: , Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 30 04:19:49 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IboPM-0006Rx-KY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:19:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IboPI-0002F8-UM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:19:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IboOz-0002CW-9S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IboOx-0002Av-9I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:19:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IboOw-0002Ai-Kv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:19:22 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IboOw-0006S9-79 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:19:22 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l8U2JJqK012383; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:19:19 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id l8U2JIg0005696; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:19:18 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-whq-csvpn-gw3-141-144-80-240.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3255726731191118668; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:17:48 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:47991 Archived-At: > Alan> I didn't express myself very well. I think what I meant by > Alan> "special purpose editor" was one that interprets the XML data > Alan> structure and hides it from the user, much like Open Office does > Alan> with ODF. > > This is sort of a diversion, but I've heard talk from time to time > about writing such an editor as an Emacs mode. As an existing > example, there's `enriched.el'. (Open etc/enriched.doc for an > example, or look at it with find-file-literally to see the contents as > they appear on disk.) > > A full ODF editor would be a major undertaking. FWIW, and not terribly relevant to Emacs: I didn't follow everything in this thread, but Adobe Framemaker does what you describe: it is XML underneath (DTD or XML Schema), and users manipulate things in WYSIWYG fashion. However, they can still see and manipulate the document structure, without having to look at the XML code. It is in fact quite a good XML round-trip editor for document-centric XML use cases.