From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: feedback on customize -- apropos-groups et al Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:47:40 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1097426914 31546 80.91.229.6 (10 Oct 2004 16:48:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 10 18:48:20 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGgrs-0004GA-00 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:48:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CGgyl-0007RS-Uc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:55:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CGgyZ-0007Q2-15 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:55:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CGgyX-0007P3-Ic for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:55:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CGgyX-0007Op-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.231] (helo=agminet04.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CGgrZ-00049c-Hj; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:48:01 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.11]) by agminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i9AGlsPf008891; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:47:55 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i9AGlsrd022282; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:47:54 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw1-141-144-65-5.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.65.5]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i9AGlsZI022274; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:47:54 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28185 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28185 M-x customize RET shows you information about customize groups. The top of the Custom buffer has a Help link to the manual's description. You're right. Sorry, operator ignorance. Don't know how I missed the Help button. (Button overdose, perhaps.) 3. possible to have a version of the Info section on customize that reflects the UI on a window system? I don't understand. Info is text-only; the customize interface I see (with a window system) has buttons and looks a bit different. That's all. 4. As to customize itself, it would be clearer if buttons that acted only as links looked like links. Buttons should be reserved for real _actions_. Too many buttons(!) -- most of which are not. Also, instead of having this: How should a link look? Like a link in Info, for instance, or in common Web browsers. Info links don't interfere much with reading the text. By default they are just blue text (purple for visited links). I think this was maybe my main message: just change buttons that are not action buttons to look like Info links. And using a different link color for visited links ("buttons"), as in Info, also helps navigation.