From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:26:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <42B0444A.7000307@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118853011 24035 80.91.229.2 (15 Jun 2005 16:30:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 15 18:30:09 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dialj-00074I-6S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:29:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Diakn-00070r-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiakJ-0006uI-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:28:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiakC-0006r6-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiakC-0006qw-8M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:28:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.87.122.32] (helo=rgminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DiakP-0007pR-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:28:13 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5FGQbtO009087 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:26:37 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by rgminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5FGQaR5009053 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:26:36 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j5FGQZjk002660 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:26:35 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j5FGQYs1002651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:26:35 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <42B0444A.7000307@student.lu.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38894 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38894 >I dislike underlined links --- even on web pages, but as long >as I can turn it off, it may be ok... Usability surveys has often found that users wants links to be underlined (in most situations). We shouldn't go overboard. Underlining links is important in _text_, so users can see they are there. Web pages of text are behind the convention of underlining links for visibility. However, it is only distracting to underline links in, say, a table or list where each entry is a link. Users must know that the table/list contains links; once they know that, there is no need to highlight each link. I would argue, for instance, that Dired, grep, and compilation buffers should have full-line links, for ease of use. But, to use these buffers, users must be somewhat familiar with them anyway. Given that minimal familiarity, there is no reason to underline the full-line links - mouseover highlighting suffices (and underlining is a good choice for mouse-face in these buffers). If, however, as RMS and some others prefer, such buffers will not have full-line links by default, then, yes, the links should be underlined (face, not just mouse-face), so users can find them.