From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:30:51 -0700 Message-ID: References: <17070.1629.248799.723986@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118705466 30372 80.91.229.2 (13 Jun 2005 23:31:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 01:31:05 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyNr-0007o3-HO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:30:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhySj-0005yX-LH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:35:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyPh-000590-4j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:32:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyPb-00057k-JG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyPa-000571-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:32:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.87.122.32] (helo=rgminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DhyPX-0006UB-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:32:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5DNUsCg009082 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:30:54 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by rgminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5DNUrnv009069 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:30:53 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j5DNUrkC018337 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:30:53 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-4op11-4op12-west-130-35-178-203.us.oracle.com [130.35.178.203]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j5DNUqvJ018330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:30:52 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <17070.1629.248799.723986@farnswood.snap.net.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38763 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38763 > 2) The entire line should be the hot zone (no "button"). Makes it very easy > to scan lines and align text anywhere on the line with the proper hot zone. > No need for your eye to move between the text (anywhere on the line) and the > hot zone. Thats not much of a compromise! Jason's point about the touchpad makes it even more important that the entire line should be *not* be the hot zone. It was meant only as my opinion, FWIW, not as a compromise of any kind (between what and what?). And, as I've said before, having the entire line be a hot zone is more important to me than being able to use mouse-1 to follow links. > 5) The delay for mouse-1 to set point should be short, by default, so it is > not inconvenient to set point with mouse-1. The current default delay is too > long. Users will naturally click very quickly to follow a link, and if they > click too slowly, they will quickly learn to click quicker (or consult the > doc to change the delay value). Whatever the period, its hard to estimate in your head while clicking. How long should a piece of string be? Such a delay is not estimated in one's head. You try it. Too slow? You try it faster. Too fast? You try it slower. You like it? You save it. BTW: In Windows, the mouse double-click delay is configured with a sliding scale, and you can double-click a test area to see what the value would mean _in practice_. Handy and simple. Something like this could be useful for defining mouse delays in Emacs too. In the present case, you would test-click (mouse-1) a link to see if you liked the current delay - change it and test-click again etc. Should be simple to implement. (Just an idea, for consideration after the release, not now.)