From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:29:50 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118705157 29707 80.91.229.2 (13 Jun 2005 23:25:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 01:25:55 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyJU-0007Tm-Iw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:25:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyON-0004ju-Ig for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyNi-0004jF-Ju for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyNf-0004hu-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhyNe-0004hg-PH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.87.122.31] (helo=rgminet02.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DhyOY-0006F4-8f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet02.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5DNTrMW030884 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:29:53 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by rgminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j5DNTquw030865 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:29:53 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j5DNTqgs017927 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:29:52 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-4op11-4op12-west-130-35-178-203.us.oracle.com [130.35.178.203]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j5DNTpwX017914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:29:52 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38761 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38761 > There seems to be an increasing trend to make Emacs look and act like > a web browser in all contexts, making it frustrating to use for text > editing purposes. Setting the point is basic functionality, and I > shouldn't have to cross my fingers, double tap, hold, turn around and > touch my nose to do it. I'm more and more inclined to agree. I think the mouse-1-clock-follows-link behavior should be used (by default) at most at a few well-tested placed. E.g. custom (where it's already working this way in 21.4 AFAIK), help, info. But not grep, not compile, ... The idea of having mouse-1-clock-follows-link activated by default is to make it easier for beginners accustomed to web browsers more than to text editors, and maybe that makes sense, but we shouldn't overstate this case either: the number of users we can expect to win thanks to this minor detail is likely to be vanishingly small. It's not like the mouse-2-follows-link convention is the only "unusual" UI aspect of Emacs. So maybe turning it on for a handful of cases makes sense. And keeping a more intrusive option may also make sense for people whose system makes it hard to generate a mouse-2 event. But the current setup has tricked me too many times already. I know I can turn it off, but we should be careful not to alienate our fervent disciples. I too have no problem with different default values for mouse-1-follows-link in different buffers. Some will scream "inconsistent", but that's OK by me. The default could be nil in buffers like grep, compilation, and dired, and non-nil in buffers like Info, Help, Apropos, and Customize. Major modes could define an appropriate value. With time and user feedback, we could refine the fit. What about the default value (setq-default) for buffers/modes that don't specify either behavior? We could just try non-nil and see what happens (users would let us know quickly enough). On the other hand, it probably makes more sense to use non-nil only for the cases where we generally agree that it makes sense, and use nil for setq-default.