all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Xue Fuqiao'" <xfq.free@gmail.com>, "'Kenichi Handa'" <handa@gnu.org>
Cc: 'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Loading souce Elisp faster
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 07:35:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DEFA3DF959934102AB828AE54F7FBBFD@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130225215038.ab62ebb7b21a755178fb2848@gmail.com>

> > We can have "coding: utf-8;" tag at the first line.  Isn't it
> > enough?
> 
> Yes, we can.  But most Elisp source files have already been 
> in utf-8 encoding.  In (info "(elisp) Coding Conventions"):
> 
>      If your program contains non-ASCII characters in string or
>      character constants, you should make sure Emacs always decodes
>      these characters the same way, regardless of the user's settings.
>      The easiest way to do this is to use the coding system
>      `utf-8-emacs' (*note Coding System Basics::), and specify that
>      coding in the `-*-' line or the local variables list.
> 
> Maybe this can be changed now (or in the near future), 
> because of the "99% utf-8 future".

Why?  What is wrong with UTF-8 code declaring itself as such?
Why break backward compatibility gratuitously?

What are you really saving by such a restrictive change?  A few chars at the
start of the file?  Is this only about laziness?

If you want to be sure, then make Emacs, upon saving, throw the user up against
the wall and ask if s?he is sure she really doesn't want to add a UTF-8
declaration, etc.

IOW, in the traditional Emacs way, have Emacs help you but not force you.  Have
Emacs make it easy to DTRT, but not stop you from doing otherwise.

And it is so simple to automatically add such a declaration line to every new
Emacs-Lisp file - automatic file headers.  Why hard-code this kind of thing?
Just let the file itself tell Emacs what it wants to be encoded in.




  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-25 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-25  1:40 Loading souce Elisp faster Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25  1:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-25  2:53   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25  2:55     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-25  3:57       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25  4:35         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-02-25  4:51           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25  5:24         ` Paul Eggert
2013-02-25  6:12           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-02-25 15:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-25 18:41             ` Paul Eggert
2013-02-26  7:23               ` Werner LEMBERG
2013-02-26  8:48                 ` Andreas Schwab
2013-02-25  5:47         ` Leo Liu
2013-02-25 16:28         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-02-27  4:18         ` Kenichi Handa
2013-02-27 13:48           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-27 14:50             ` Drew Adams
2013-02-27 17:49             ` Werner LEMBERG
2013-02-27 14:28           ` Richard Stallman
2013-02-28 14:10             ` Kenichi Handa
2013-03-01  2:12               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-02 12:52                 ` Kenichi Handa
2013-03-03  0:35                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-10 15:19                 ` handa
2013-03-11  1:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15 16:20                   ` handa
2013-03-20  8:15                     ` Kenichi Handa
2013-02-25  7:24 ` Achim Gratz
2013-02-25 11:43 ` Richard Stallman
2013-02-25 15:19   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25 15:36     ` Drew Adams
2013-02-25 16:09       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25 16:31         ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-25 18:31           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25 19:20             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-25 20:53               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25 20:57                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-25 21:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25 21:57                     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-25 23:59                       ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-26 17:27                         ` Achim Gratz
2013-02-26 21:38                           ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-26 21:43                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-02-26 21:47                               ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-26  4:54           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-02-26  8:29             ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-02-25 21:51     ` Richard Stallman
2013-02-25 23:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-25 15:35   ` Drew Adams
2013-02-25 13:33 ` Kenichi Handa
2013-02-25 13:50   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-02-25 15:35     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-02-25 15:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-25 22:39       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-02-26  3:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-26 10:44           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-02-26 17:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-25 15:35   ` Drew Adams
2013-02-25 16:45 ` David Engster
2013-02-26 12:56   ` Richard Stallman
2013-02-26 16:26     ` David Engster
2013-02-26 20:19       ` Richard Stallman
2013-02-26 21:00         ` David Engster
2013-02-26 21:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-26 21:18             ` David Engster
2013-02-26 22:40               ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-02-26 22:51               ` David Engster
2013-02-27  0:44                 ` Drew Adams
2013-02-27  1:22           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-27  1:56             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-27 14:28             ` Richard Stallman
2013-02-27 15:21               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-02-27 17:21                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-27 18:31             ` Achim Gratz
2013-02-27 18:39               ` Drew Adams
2013-02-27 19:28                 ` Achim Gratz
2013-02-27 22:32                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-02-27 18:43               ` Lennart Borgman
2013-02-27  4:49           ` Kenichi Handa
2013-02-27 14:27           ` Richard Stallman
2013-02-26 16:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-26 20:19       ` Richard Stallman
2013-02-26 20:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-27  2:22     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-02-25 21:12 ` Ivan Kanis
2013-02-25 22:47   ` Glenn Morris
2013-02-25 21:17 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-02-26  7:10   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-02-26  7:59 ` Andreas Röhler

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=DEFA3DF959934102AB828AE54F7FBBFD@us.oracle.com \
    --to=drew.adams@oracle.com \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=handa@gnu.org \
    --cc=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
    --cc=xfq.free@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.