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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu>
Cc: Max Brieiev <max.brieiev@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine]
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 06:01:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DC050C24-78C2-4CFD-AF69-97D89302D102@gnu.support> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5132354.M1jKaovQIP@galex-713.eu>

Big statements there, with zero references. This is not conspiracy website.


On February 28, 2022 3:22:31 PM UTC, Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> wrote:
>> And that would imply that Putin is really mad men and is now coming
>to
>> attack Ukraine for which real reason? You tell us please.
>
>Because russians are so tired of him and he’s getting old and afraid of
>loosing control, so 
>he launches his last card and plays everything in.
>
>Ukraine, along with Finland and Sweden (which he threatened too) are
>worrying 
>counterexample of liberalism and better situation to most of russians. 
>And most of 
>russians are aware of this.
>
>Moreover: speaking russian in ukraine is easy, many people understand
>russian there (I 
>keep hearing that russian propaganda stating people are being
>threatened for speaking 
>russian there is wrong, from mostly russians leaving there; and to have
>mostly spoke 
>russian myself in ukraine i can confirm); if a russian moves there, not
>only they can keep 
>speaking their language, but they can most easily learn the local one
>as it is most similar, 
>pretty easy and even somewhat more regular and rational.
>
>So that WAS a really nice place, and the easiest one, for russians to
>escape.  The conflict 
>since its beginning (before war) is itself is a mere excuse to avoid
>that to happen (as 
>russian men has been forbidden to go there before).  There is to some
>degree hypocrit 
>collaboration between russian and ukrainian elites (who btw both have
>stakes and 
>properties and capital in each others’ country) for that sake:
>artificially separating as much 
>as possible two countries with so friendly and similar people with each
>other.  There have 
>been, on both side, support to the far right, neonazis, etc.  A lot
>more so from putin’s side: 
>most of the far rights and neonazis are funded by him in Europe. 
>French far right is backed 
>by Putin.  Hungary and Poland, worst situations in europe, are because
>of Putin.  Our 
>increasing commitment to methane, because of our abandonment of
>carbonclean nuclear 
>(and also the subsequent increasing reliement on coal) is also Putin’s
>fault.  This is not only 
>threatening Russia, Ukraine, Europe, but the whole planet’s citizens.
>
>That was okay as long as it only meant for ukraine to give up on
>helping and welcoming 
>russians.  Now it’s not enough anymore.  The internet is making the
>people increasingly 
>powerful and aware of whatever freedom exists elsewhere and they could
>get.
>
>The same sospokenabout situation of «if we lower taxes the powerfuls
>are gonna escape» 
>is there happening inversely: if you help the powerful, the actual
>people will see it and 
>wanna leave.  This always have been true, it is called migration. 
>Migration is a threat to 
>oppression, and border its solution: a threat to freedom.  Free
>circulation of wealth good to 
>the wealthiests and their wealth, free circulation of people good to
>the people and their 
>freedom.
>
>Wars, soldiers, militaries, aggressions, these all reinforce borders.
>
>What inspired me mostly:
>https://nitter.fdn.fr/jmkorhonen/status/1496047631969234944[1] 
>
>Please remember we have to keep in favor of freedom, and that means
>against aggression, 
>against censorship, surveillance, proprietary software.  If you ever
>feel these could locally 
>or temporarily used to fight oppression, you are tricked.
>
>--------
>[1] https://nitter.fdn.fr/jmkorhonen/status/1496047631969234944


Jean



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-01  6:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-26 12:31 phantom invasion and ghostly resistance Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-26 14:36 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  8:57   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-26 23:57 ` no to war in Ukraine Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  0:02   ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27  0:17     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  0:18       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27  0:24         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  0:59           ` Po Lu
2022-02-27  8:46         ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28  9:17       ` butterfly effect Jean Louis
2022-03-01  9:47       ` no to war in Ukraine Uwe Brauer
2022-03-01 10:35         ` goncholden
2022-03-01 10:45           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 11:00             ` goncholden
2022-03-01 12:37               ` Uwe Brauer
2022-03-01 13:09                 ` goncholden
2022-03-01 13:12                   ` Uwe Brauer
2022-03-01 13:35                     ` goncholden
2022-03-01 14:02                     ` goncholden
2022-03-01 14:34                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 14:52                         ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-03-01 15:29                           ` goncholden
2022-03-01 15:52                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01 16:11                               ` goncholden
2022-03-01 14:05                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 13:59               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 13:02             ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:08               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 10:41         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 13:05           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:10             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 17:09             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-03-01 12:59         ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 17:39           ` Uwe Brauer
2022-03-02  1:19             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-06  1:03               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
     [not found]             ` <Yh+0Yr6xR78m2oCI@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]               ` <87bkykh9gp.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-06  9:49                 ` Jean Louis
2022-03-06 14:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                     ` <87cziz80qo.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-07 15:35                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-08 18:12                         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-08 20:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-08 20:21                             ` Tom Davey
2022-02-27  1:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-27  1:27       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  8:48       ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:18       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27 11:35         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:45         ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 12:02           ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27 13:51           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:01             ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-28 12:31               ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 14:58                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 16:59                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-28 15:22                 ` why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine] Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 16:27                   ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 14:28                     ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 22:44                       ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-02  1:08                       ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  6:01                   ` Jean Louis [this message]
2022-03-01  8:43                     ` Max Brieiev
2022-03-01  9:52                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 15:19                         ` Max Brieiev
     [not found]                     ` <12751820.zrU1mtMFnZ@galex-713.eu>
2022-03-01  9:24                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 16:22                         ` War is bad " dick
2022-03-01 17:05                     ` why conflict " Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-02-28 14:42             ` no to war in Ukraine Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01  7:27               ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:34                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 18:31         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-27 18:40           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-28  9:23           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28  9:22         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:12         ` Yuri Khan
2022-02-28 12:17           ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-28 13:08             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:43           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28  9:19       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 13:22         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-28 13:45           ` Samuel Banya
2022-02-28 14:26           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 14:47             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  9:16               ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28  9:16     ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 11:46       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-28 12:15         ` Po Lu
2022-02-28 13:34           ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-02-28 15:29             ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-28 18:05               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  9:34                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-02-28 12:42         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-28 13:35           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-28 14:44             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 14:49               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-28 13:50         ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 15:10           ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-28 15:39             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01  4:24           ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-01  4:24           ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-01  9:22             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 10:06               ` Po Lu
2022-03-01 14:05                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-02-27  7:49   ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27  8:05     ` Po Lu
2022-02-27  8:39       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27  8:58         ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27  9:23           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27  8:53       ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27  9:51         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:19           ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:44             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 10:12         ` Po Lu
2022-02-27 10:22           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 10:25             ` Po Lu
2022-02-27 11:15               ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:31                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:54                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:48                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-27 11:53                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-27 12:00                     ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 12:06                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 12:14                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 10:52             ` tomas
2022-02-27 11:24               ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:27               ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:24             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:48               ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:54                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-27 12:13                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:22           ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28  9:26         ` Jean Louis

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