From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Will Farrington Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summer of Code 2009 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <18797.40998.179248.71695@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87k58wg9qk.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net> <18800.13052.960411.224994@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <85F9D8B0-496A-4320-BF58-754DA196F2F7@gmail.com> <18802.32121.260953.898590@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <131D6B72-4CFC-4C83-A3F7-A4926518F383@gmail.com> <18804.8579.457842.69439@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-640055389; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1232350344 15090 80.91.229.12 (19 Jan 2009 07:32:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Daniel Clemente , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 19 08:33:36 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LOodZ-0008Vv-OY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:33:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35173 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LOocI-0002ZL-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:32:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LOocD-0002XA-HO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:32:09 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LOocC-0002WI-Cg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:32:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52406 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LOocC-0002W8-80 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:32:08 -0500 Original-Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.154]:5776) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LOocB-0007JU-RI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:32:08 -0500 Original-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1097036yxf.66 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:32:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=IbAOhg3JS2KZ3N6zmMSShdNjFxQUtD2fLNlW5O2xLRM=; b=rqaugYkKKUxMbTMcnHUSocTTiJwAQ1bX/XRlfR2hB5ftRkcAVTZRgpttSCYaGeZrmc b43FhVhqWXBb9pnhcFQ01+sQ0fj/xz3OEUqFygEZBRGAYQbcGuzrgjwPpZg4fp5CSX4K TuADug8cAVXMafFNTvbLkVSrnPhpVlIczMZwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=ml6IjQ/BouTBcxnAmTtMBWublV4kwhV8JeVeYiBCdj4AMngZl7aMRiR5XwDbN7TFSP miiqU0vgntTR6EeSrCzZvLu8fSgS6JYAL3GOxpT9D7wbAkAOUCD7OH+0WdjHpQ+ZVPV6 3my3Z3czsliBpa3lNOlY5NlCIzNdjpspLWx98= Original-Received: by 10.100.14.10 with SMTP id 10mr1787231ann.119.1232350326990; Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:32:06 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from r76h135.res.gatech.edu (r76h135.res.gatech.edu [128.61.76.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c1sm3431963ana.20.2009.01.18.23.32.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:32:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18804.8579.457842.69439@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107984 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-5-640055389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 19, 2009, at 1:45 AM, Nick Roberts wrote: >>> It might be acheivable but I doubt GNU would agree to a student from >>> their allocated number working on a port of Emacs to a proprietary >>> platform. >> >> Eliminating bugs from Emacs is *always* a good thing, even for >> proprietary platforms. I think discouraging people from trying to >> improve Emacs based upon the platform they use sends the wrong >> message. > > I think some perspective is needed here: last year GNU, as an > organisation, was > allocated 9 students which meant under one student per project from > those that > had applied. Unless GNUstep is a get out of jail clause, I think > giving people > false hope sends out the wrong message. Of course, all these ideas > are to be > encouraged and should get the support of the mailing list, but > probably only > one, at most, will receive a grant. At the same time, GNU is allotted "slots" based upon the number of interested parties, among other things, so I think encouraging work on all platforms (due note that an emphasis on open platforms is more than acceptable) would result in more interest among applicants overall. --Apple-Mail-5-640055389 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGLTCCAuYw ggJPoAMCAQICEFLyXUaKEr0zuWfhMm1ZMJUwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MTIyOTE5NDg0N1oXDTA5MTIyOTE5NDg0 N1owSDEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjElMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYWd2Nm YXJyaW5ndG9uQGdtYWlsLmNvbTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAKcuimpW dxQxDKQ/q8Q0zEMjCYbRMMEFUmkw3PqhDzrkQUBJWWPnzQj5o6pTm6MzNmxt8xUBsEneseW/j2Ib zDxQ0Su9QJJPNbch86+h4VvJs++E9lrQZZ2IHLtobPsmHkxILbs43JchlWRUUtcwuPQtSrodcGkU S5pZLUSJbVe7AOUn5lluJ/DUhRlznRShyL9fYmlsC92TTyFd0AUdEvVwx06My+euvB3cx/c0rKeF tvZZPZJFDG9l8ogTJ77eUeX/MbAM6w6AR222aO50tB/kLGJcWfdAtYw4s3yv0S9Y1DTOH1GiVMbH 7PYtcWE6u4dztY64tzdjRuTE0GMd7rMCAwEAAaMzMDEwIQYDVR0RBBowGIEWd2NmYXJyaW5ndG9u QGdtYWlsLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAGTJGSqQDo0u++L1U0k5 COuL7rcOLjEBWiXVNwokILQ00IV/+5AcXgBFFLt1cJXAAsBrxCY2h28Ay5bi+R9UJQ8EobysTYeA N+ykdXr3boQXhNILzi5Wa4MLuPI2/ZPRVNwnDkXaHlFODKO5mXqx2tZqBFBqKNRVPIv6T7pZzktP MIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgT DFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3Vs dGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMb VGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVl bWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1Ro YXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCB iQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1os iRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpU hQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0f BDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxD QS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwy LTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+q LZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr3 94fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAxAwggMMAgEBMHYwYjELMAkG A1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBS8l1GihK9M7ln4TJtWTCVMAkG BSsOAwIaBQCgggFvMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTA5 MDExOTA3MzIwNlowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFMULLprrGj1i/AUP+5WESPYFIZ2WMIGFBgkrBgEE AYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5 KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQUvJd RooSvTO5Z+EybVkwlTCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQK ExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwg RnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQUvJdRooSvTO5Z+EybVkwlTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQAP 7D5xIlG9Vs9yRiWT7/7yS1CBzBTYkY964feuKvbr3NJBYVuPa8bIkYw4azQK9h95V8sLyHp9bbLk 8achPQwVbs6ERgr2mKI/EotYBdmBDHAfd+AEQHPyM04zTviwnfkDWxc1GysVrm/ZScAqlKNTZKgA 3qWAyX/Q3uAWEHkOIPVv97/uEi2jRoqENFsBeSdTsYv/mfOUFfAjje35BwleVSaOCxWM4kGUURw0 n81KigxNcKfB3nVjQTV7wGkMvnz8bYTctAu7D2WHIS9wo/WKCQhw6V3uDRGoBJzfzApkfAQC5zaF UmbKC/xF+WdAHxZ/QJOtnsnhJDEKFKwKmqYvAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-5-640055389--