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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272828 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Arthur Miller >> Cc: Daniel Colascione , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 22:20:22 +0200 >> >> > I'm actually surprised they have key bindings. How frequently do you >> > undo/redo window configuration changes? >> You obviously don't need to call help functions as often as I :). > > That's not true: contrary to the popular belief, I don't keep all of > Emacs in my memory. I actually use Help functions very frequently, I know I have seen you write this in other occasions, but some myths are hard to debunk! > which is why one of my frames always has a Help window open. I simply > don't delete that window, because I know I'll need it again in a > moment. You have reminded me of another from my todo wish-list. I wanted to configure help to not open new window every time, because I also had some thoughts of keeping it open all the time. Problem with help buffer is that it pops up at unnexpected places, and I am looking all over the place to see where did it popped now. I wanted it mostly for this reason at same spot. winner-undo was a quick way to restore the state. I have just added help, helpful, aproppos and few others to display-buffer-alist and configured them to use same window. >> It is handy to restore back windows after some help lookup, or after >> something else opened a window that is left over. Compile log for >> example. I have my binding on C-v u and C-v r, but it is mostly C-v >> u I use form time to time. > > My solution to the "window configuration issue" is to keep several > frames, one each for different tasks. Each frame has windows arranged > as appropriate for that task, and that configuration rarely if ever > changes. Of course, if someone has a lot of concurrent tasks and a > screen that is not large enough, they can run out of screen estate, so > scalability could be an issue. But not for me. I only use different frame for Gnus since it seems to expect its own frame and I try to run everything else in another frame, two window pane is my favourite. But maybe it is better to have a frame with a dedicated layout for a task. Thank you for sharing.