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[71.58.212.112]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a4sm10298797qth.52.2018.03.25.13.08.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:08:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83r2oagevx.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224017 Archived-At: On Mar 24, 2018, at 2:35 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Are there any numbers about how widespread each version is on end-user > machines? Better, I can show you the number of unique (and somewhat frequent) = Aquamacs Emacs users throughout 2017, below. (Some of them will have upgraded throughout the year, so they would be = counted multiple times.) In these data, we=E2=80=99re seeing that out of all users, only 2.15% = are still on Mac OS X 10.6. (Full distribution shown below.) If we do the same for November and December 2017 only. Now we=E2=80=99re = down to 1.21% and 1.24% 10.6 users, respectively. Looking at queries (which run every third day, as long as Emacs is in = use): Out of the Dec 2017 queries (838) from machine that still run = 10.6, only 6% (54) bothered to upgrade to the latest version, which was = released in mid-2016. Clearly, users of very old operating systems also = don=E2=80=99t care to upgrade their Emacs. Now, there are some old Macs that can only run 10.6. However, clearly, = few users will update applications but not never the OS. I hope these data can support your decision where to direct scarce = volunteer resources. [aquamacs /home/protected]$ ./macos-users v2017 unique users with more than 10 startups: OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard: 1074 OS X 10.7 Lion: 776 OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion: 726 OS X 10.9 Mavericks: 2631 OS X 10.10 Yosemite: 5418 OS X 10.11 El Capitan: 11526 macOS 10.12 Sierra: 20594 macOS 10.13 High Sierra: 7116 =E2=80=94 Total 49861=