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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113246 Archived-At: > > FWIW, the code is here (commands `tile-frames-*'): > > > > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/frame-cmds.el > > Interesting. But doesn't `tile-frames' tile in one direction only? Yes, horizontally _or_ vertically; not both at once. > BTW, do you enlarge frames when changing fonts? If you're referring to `enlarge-font', yes. But I use my library `zoom-frm.el', with commands `zoom-in' and `zoom-out'. They let you zoom either by enlarging/shrinking the frame font (a la `enlarge-font') or the buffer text (a la `text-scale-decrease' - Emacs 23 only). `C-u' acts as a toggle between the two modes. In the first case (`enlarge-font'), yes, the frame size changes with the font size. And for the text-scaling mode, I use the patch I sent to the list (with zero response), which automatically adjusts the window or frame size to accommodate the font-size change. But that resizing is controlled by a user option. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/face-remap%2b.el - user option to control whether window/frame resizes to reflect font size change http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts#ChangingFontSize - description of my font resizing stuff (zoom-frm.el, frame-cmds.el, face-remap+.el). > What are your experiences with window manager interventions > when using such layed-out frames? Sorry, dunno what you mean. I use MS Windows - dunno about other window mgrs. What kind of interventions did you have in mind?