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From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, manphiz@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Tree-sitter maturity
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 10:37:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D7A13434-12DE-44EE-B340-8D3A3679B5D4@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86bjwxw39z.fsf@gnu.org>



On December 27, 2024 10:31:52 AM EST, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 10:05:47 -0500
>> From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
>> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, manphiz@gmail.com
>> 
>> >> Why not just vendor all the grammars with the Emacs modes that use them?
>> >
>> >We'd need to ask their developers to agree to this. 
>> 
>> Why? They're free software. For copyright assignment? Seems like an exception would make sense here.
>
>AFAIK, that was the policy until now: we should have written agreement
>by authors to include any code in Emacs.  RMS might know more, because
>he asked for that.
>
>> > Other than that,
>> >I don't see how is that different from pointing to a specific version
>> >of each grammar: both will be outdated a short time after we point to
>> >the version or release Emacs with that version.
>> >
>> >So why do you think this is better?
>> 
>> Vendoring enables building a full featured Emacs without a network connection and guarantees build reproducibility in perpetuity.
>
>Is a network connection really a serious problem nowadays?

It's just another thing that can go wrong. And if, as discussed elsewhere on the thread, the network fetch is of HEAD rather than some specific commit with a known-good hash, that's a security issue. There's a reason many organizations ptohibit network access during builds or at least require that all fetched dependencies be hash-locked.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-27 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-20 15:13 My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-20 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-20 16:23 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21  6:22   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 10:05     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 11:23       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 11:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 10:29   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 12:26     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-20 16:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-20 17:04 ` tomas
2024-11-20 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21  2:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-21 12:34   ` Tree-sitter maturity (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Peter Oliver
2024-11-23 13:41     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-24  2:10     ` Tree-sitter maturity Björn Bidar
     [not found]     ` <67428b3d.c80a0220.2f3036.adbdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-17 22:11       ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-18 13:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-19  1:40           ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-19  8:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-20  9:13             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <6765355b.c80a0220.1a6b24.3117SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-20  9:29               ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-23  0:43                 ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                 ` <6768b256.c80a0220.222b1b.64e6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-24  1:20                   ` Yuan Fu
     [not found]                 ` <87frmfxm8y.fsf@>
2024-12-24  4:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-24 12:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 21:31                       ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-26  4:30                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-27 10:54                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 12:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 13:46                               ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-27 14:19                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 14:24                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-27 14:57                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 15:02                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-28 12:20                                   ` Peter Oliver
2024-12-28 12:23                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 14:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 15:05                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-27 15:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 15:37                                       ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2024-12-28  1:08                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-27 14:11                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-27 15:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 18:29                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-28  7:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  8:11                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-28  8:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  4:32                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-26  7:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-19 12:23           ` Peter Oliver
2024-12-19 12:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-19 13:15             ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2024-12-20  8:59           ` Björn Bidar
2024-11-21 13:01   ` My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 13:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 14:29       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-22  0:01         ` Po Lu
2024-11-22  7:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22  8:14             ` Robert Pluim
2024-11-22  8:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 23:59               ` Po Lu
2024-11-23  6:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 16:29       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22  5:35     ` Adam Porter
2024-11-22  7:24       ` Madhu
2024-11-22  8:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22  9:26           ` Madhu
2024-11-22 12:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 12:40           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 13:06           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 13:39             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 14:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25  4:28             ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26 17:37               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-13  4:35                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-15 15:27                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-15 15:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15 20:43                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-19  4:22                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-19  8:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 22:18           ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-22 10:57       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 23:19         ` Adam Porter
2024-11-26 19:01       ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-26 19:51         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-27  2:18           ` Adam Porter
2024-11-27  9:36             ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-27  9:59             ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-30  3:52             ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30  7:53               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 16:22                 ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was: My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-30 16:56                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:06                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03  7:26                 ` My resignation from Emacs development Richard Stallman
2024-12-03 13:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 16:21               ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-30 17:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 19:23                       ` Drew Adams
2024-12-03  7:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-03 13:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06  4:48                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02  4:09                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 13:04                   ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 15:32                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-05  5:08                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:33                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 15:29                   ` [External] : Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-27  2:06         ` My resignation from Emacs development Adam Porter
2024-11-27  9:17           ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-22 15:36     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 17:48       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 23:43     ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-11-23  6:10   ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-23  7:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 11:06       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 11:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 12:48           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 23:59       ` Adam Porter
2024-12-01  3:50         ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01  6:19           ` tomas
2024-11-24 18:12     ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-26  4:56       ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26  7:38         ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-21  5:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-22 11:36   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 11:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 10:36       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 11:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 13:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-21 19:01   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-21 19:19     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 19:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 19:40 ` Jim Porter
2024-11-24  4:35   ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-21 23:57 ` Po Lu
2024-11-22 17:26 ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-22 17:47   ` Ship Mints
2024-11-22 19:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24  2:35       ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes Björn Bidar
2024-11-24  4:41         ` Adam Porter
2024-11-30  2:16           ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]       ` <87ttbx73zu.fsf@>
2024-11-24  8:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 19:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23  6:10 ` My resignation from Emacs development Richard Stallman
2024-11-23  8:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23  6:10 ` Richard Stallman

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