From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Lennart Borgman'" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: 'PJ Weisberg' <pj@irregularexpressions.net>,
'Emacs-Devel devel' <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound?
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:49:15 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D727BC7268A24AF7B9544FD4E0B74E11@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikr4OxQ_0UJ76fHYLHcZNSrnaMa1GDArKJMYeEu@mail.gmail.com>
> > On Windows: `C-h k M-<f4>' => "<M-f4> is undefined" (and
> > the key does not appear in the `global-map', at least).
>
> Which means that Emacs actively shadows the default binding on w32.
> Why should Emacs do that?
Why shouldn't it? Should Emacs not "actively shadow" `C-c' or `C-d' or ... when
launched from a shell, because those keys mean somthing to the shell?
Since when should Emacs simply reflect outside key bindings? It can, of course.
And perhaps it should in some particular cases. But let's drop the argument
that it must as a general rule. There is nothing wrong with Emacs deciding to
"actively shadow" any key it wants. (It might not always be successful, but
that is another problem.)
IOW, there is a decision to be made about this specific key. Not some general
hand-waving argument about Emacs respecting the outside context (or user
expectations or...).
The question is about _this_ key.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-16 21:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-05 14:48 Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-05 17:11 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-05 17:36 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 18:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-09 22:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10 1:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 1:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10 3:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 3:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-12 13:53 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-12 15:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 15:54 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-12 17:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 20:29 ` Chad Brown
2011-01-12 20:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-12 20:42 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-13 2:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 3:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 3:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 4:15 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 13:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 16:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 18:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 21:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 22:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 0:12 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 0:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 5:02 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 8:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:18 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 22:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:47 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 23:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 23:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 9:25 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2011-01-14 9:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:53 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-13 23:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 0:13 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 1:35 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 5:08 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 10:49 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-14 15:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-15 0:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-15 11:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
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[not found] ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24! 9921783@us.oracle! .com>
[not found] ` <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A24!9921783@us.oracle!! .com>
2011-01-16 23:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 1:40 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 1:52 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 8:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 19:02 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 19:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:20 ` Bikeshedding "user choice" Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 5:29 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 6:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 17:45 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 4:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-19 19:34 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 8:06 ` Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? jasonr
2011-01-17 19:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 20:24 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 2:27 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-17 18:21 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 17:58 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 20:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 22:24 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <D727BC7268A24AF7B9544FD4E0B74E11@us! .oracle.com>
2011-01-14 22:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2011-01-16 23:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 0:33 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-01-17 1:41 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 1:45 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 8:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 8:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-17 9:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-15 2:38 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-16 21:49 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 10:15 ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-01-05 15:31 ` Christopher Allan Webber
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-14 1:20 grischka
2011-01-17 12:06 grischka
2011-01-17 12:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 14:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 16:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 9:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 12:10 ` grischka
2011-01-17 20:31 Drew Adams
2011-01-17 20:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 21:56 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 22:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 23:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 23:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 0:36 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 0:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 1:20 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 1:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 3:14 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 9:36 grischka
2011-01-18 12:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 13:15 ` grischka
2011-01-18 13:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 10:08 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-19 19:37 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 1:00 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-20 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 20:10 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-18 13:33 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 13:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:40 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 17:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
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