From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7367: 24.0.50; change logs in source code Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:46:20 -0800 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1289423657 9264 80.91.229.12 (10 Nov 2010 21:14:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:14:17 +0000 (UTC) To: 7367@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 10 22:14:13 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGHzg-0000Xc-LH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:14:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39383 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGHzf-0004qT-Uy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:46:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcuBGFQsF6qWJyjBTey+41TyUSLeuw== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:44:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:41471 Archived-At: emacs -Q Visiting wdired.el, I see that this is the complete content of the `Change log:' entry: ;; Google is your friend (previous versions with complete changelogs ;; were posted to gnu.emacs.sources) Please restore the normal, helpful, user-friendly source-file change logs that were in the author's file. Emacs users should be able to get the info they need by consulting only the source code. They should not need any Internet access, in particular. This seems like just laziness on the part of Emacs development. But is also an anti-user policy. (And stop selling Google. Although I agree that googling can be helpful.) Other files have similar cop-out text. In ffap.el the `Change log:' entry tells you to go ftp the change log (and to go hunt for the place to ftp it from). Users should not need Internet access to get hold of the source-file change logs. At the very least, they should be able to visit another local file. And that file location should be clearly indicated in the source library, so a simple find-file-at-point will go there. Emacs source files contain lots of text such as `Todo list' that is less important than change-log history. Users deserve better than telling them to go search the Internet for change history. Change logs are not just for Emacs developers' internal use. They are for users. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-11-09 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include'