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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314446 Archived-At: > On Jan 1, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >=20 >> Since you're using OT anyway, I wonder if eventually it can be=20 >> compatible with Etherpad, which I believe is also OT not CRDT.=20 >=20 > Could you explain what OT and CRDT mean? >=20 > First of all, are they nouns, or adjectives? > The first line uses OT as a noun, the second as an adjective. They are the two main approaches to designing algorithms for = collaborative editing. OT stands for operational transformation, CRDT = stands for conflict-free replicated data type. They are different enough = that when designing a collab editing system, you need to choose one or = another. Yuan=