From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: AW: delete-selection-mode Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:49:23 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com><201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu><87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org><874okf8dep.fsf@lola.goethe.zz><7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C0A70E50872@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com><4BA0CDF9.40707@online.de><76682E4761EA432EB929E5E199B0F92A@us.oracle.com><87wrxb57e1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sk7z571u.fsf@lola.goethe.zz><81674B067AF84670A2EDDB0178E0C0CC@us.oracle.com> <877hpa68ys.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268859174 24486 80.91.229.12 (17 Mar 2010 20:52:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:52:54 +0000 (UTC) To: "'David Kastrup'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 17 21:52:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns0ES-0007Pm-3e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:52:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49112 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns0ER-0004Ck-Ed for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:52:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns0Cv-0002qg-14 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58551 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns0Cr-0002p4-HW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:51:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns0Cp-00019F-7y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:51:09 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:50446) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns0Cp-000190-1W; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2HKp4u9018746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:51:06 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2HKp28S018601; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:51:02 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt014.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 94402371268858963; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:49:23 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:49:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <877hpa68ys.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcrGCJ7QcZPqo35OTN61bliodNlRUwAB6BAA X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4BA140B8.00D6:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122109 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup [rabid foaming at the mouth elided] > > Let's hear instead from those who use transient-mark-mode *without* > > delete-selection-mode (intentionally, not just by default or from > > ignorance of delsel). Let us know why t-m-mode without > > d-s-mode is the right choice as a default for Emacs. > > That could be an interesting discussion. > > Since I already gave examples and explained It's interesting to see you respond to that call, indicating that you now use transient-mark-mode, albeit without delete-selection-mode. Good to hear there has been some progress. What made you switch to t-m-mode? But you did *not* give any examples or explanation of why t-m-mode without d-s-mode is a better default than d-s-mode. Not in any mails I received from you, you didn't. Please point to one such example and explanation. Did you mean this, perhaps: > You can set the mark, move somewhere else, type stuff there, > and return using C-x C-x, again typing stuff there, without > destroying anything you have written. Again, that's just a rehash of an argument why we should *not* even have t-m-mode as the default. Please don't try to start that off-topic battle again. The question is, "What makes t-m-mode without d-s-mode a better default than d-s-mode?" Show me where you give an example or argument for that. [more frothing and foaming trimmed]