From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Explorer? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:20:24 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <6999B5E2-8EB3-11D8-9A7F-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> <8E554882-9453-11D8-A05E-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> <20040422123356.GA28041@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082641959 10170 80.91.224.253 (22 Apr 2004 13:52:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, jasonr@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 22 15:52:25 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGecr-0002z2-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:52:25 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGecr-0000so-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:52:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGeNZ-0005Je-NW for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:36:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BGeNS-0005Ig-W5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:36:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BGeMu-0005A4-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:36:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.54.107.73] (helo=mxfep02.bredband.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGe86-0002J4-Ot; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:20:38 -0400 Original-Received: from coolsville.localdomain ([213.112.109.35] [213.112.109.35]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20040422132037.HMWE9494.mxfep02.bredband.com@coolsville.localdomain>; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:20:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20040422123356.GA28041@fencepost> Original-To: Miles Bader X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22028 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22028 > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 01:52:39PM +0200, Jan D. wrote: >> Exactly what is inconsistent? That mouse down does not clear the >> selected >> part or that it doesn't set mark, or something else? Note that it is >> only >> when clicking on some selected text and dragging that the behaviour >> differs. If clicking outside selected text, or not dragging, we can >> keep >> the old behaviour. > > To tell the truth, I hate the D&D-by-dragging-selected-text behavior > of other > apps (in particular, mozilla), because it's damn touchy -- often I'll > try to > click to make the selected region collapse, but accidentally drag a > _little > bit_, which ends up invoking the D&D behavior... I get bitten by this sometimes also. It is important that the amount of drag is customizable. Usually it is not. > The same thing happens with other interfaces where dragging vs. > clicking > makes a significant difference (e.g., trying to edit the filename of a > selected icon in windows -- _infuriating_!), it just seems like poor > design. This is probably the reason why Motif/CDE uses mouse-2 to drag. No risk of starting a drag when an ordinary click with mouse-1 was intended. Jan D.