From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't' Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:16:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <838r9anrmi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8cem8pu.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7i5nbeq.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11858"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 65913@debbugs.gnu.org, Heime , stefankangas@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 13 21:18:59 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVO4-0002hA-7b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:18:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVN8-0003Bq-TF; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:17:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVN6-0003BM-V6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:17:56 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVN6-0001M2-NF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:17:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVNC-0005Yo-3B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:18:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 65913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65913.169463264721312 (code B ref 65913); Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:18:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2023 19:17:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36065 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVMd-0005Xf-7E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:17:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]:11909) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVMO-0005XB-EA for 65913@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:17:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1694632620; x=1694891820; bh=zbom3DLy6IwA3jgvs6j0DmdVwYQPbhWp+5CnOnRsSgQ=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=ChcRnr9CU2KyGB3Cf1Kcz8LwFxW8ksnPOhiu0i8tQlpvZjT8US7aQKDRqAhCJAmyt exVyYb7ADyQ/7xlieVSAgmJHAtWyE4qtUoARRSh/XAACKSXw+2eK2c0/6ChR8sOSsB YLLOogAJWbM6fn9OdkX+LXDuaiCd2Fh8Jn2MwFs/k2bQTDIpScFL2JhKUGUFxqQcgT ano24NsifUu4DSgOPlQLZSldziFFkvv8zJ8CwnC1qVn4sZnfzOt3KZpfneHwaAMiYh aSqn9lxUpLg5iuSwG0/R9BqIuKn1HO37x0EGqYcTREtSCA0GNWdHXN14jkc4ts28c1 OjvMoC+IoVYUg== In-Reply-To: <83o7i5nbeq.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:270353 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, September 14th, 2023 at 7:03 AM, Eli Zaretskii = wrote: > > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 14:54:04 +0000 > > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com > > Cc: Stefan Kangas stefankangas@gmail.com, 65913@debbugs.gnu.org > >=20 > > > > > Stefan, WDYT? > > > >=20 > > > > I tend to agree with you. > > >=20 > > > OK, so I'm closing this bug. > >=20 > > Congratulations for the disregard ! A disease that makes only the > > the opinion of maintainers relevant rather than those using it. > > A Total Disaster. >=20 >=20 > Please don't be unfair. Your opinions were heard and considered. > They were not rejected because they are irrelevant or for any other > such reason. We do not have to agree with everything you say, > especially after we explain why the doc string of that particular > function is not the right place to mention inhibit-read-only. Other > doc strings, which are a better place, do mention it. The purpose of the docstring should be expanded. And if using the manual is required, please provide that information from the self documentation. I disagree with the notion that working with emacs should be hard. With most people I communicate with, it is generally agreed that using the language is hard. It is the solution that I disagree with. Because the solution that I am usually given is to endure the time it takes for everyon= e=20 to learn it.