From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:19:09 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87vcosskhc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831urgr2yr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4zgsh2w.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ipks3zbo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87boqk3q69.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325780372 8512 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2012 16:19:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 17:19:29 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Riq2G-0007Sh-A1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:19:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34279 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Riq2F-0000dx-Od for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:19:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41416) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Riq2D-0000de-33 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:19:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Riq27-0000xS-5L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:19:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:47899) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Riq27-0000xK-2C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:19:15 -0500 Original-Received: by iacb35 with SMTP id b35so1384219iac.0 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:19:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=R8Ps1THTfiYws0gg0japrt+yaiLc8fKTzf5XMRZPC+g=; b=U1D0Kl+lvS9zuXjeveDdfIPidfeO39YIESsSZPnm6vLkNoQpVZlJzp2HxOgPWohCCV i/rEHZoWxdhO8vP1PzdXjPI0SJCPPVRGNINXn8ToppgdnbolT5tDTnIYNVzm+dEySqaP PN2Rcu2CBth77HvJ/y9Y/LnnRudJzR8UBcHpU= Original-Received: by 10.50.189.137 with SMTP id gi9mr3424140igc.1.1325780354361; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:19:14 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [98.247.148.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id aq5sm124284095igc.5.2012.01.05.08.19.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:19:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147350 Archived-At: On Jan 5, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > 2012/1/5 Ted Zlatanov : >=20 >> You're right. Do you agree with the general idea of checking for >> critical updates on startup, though? >=20 > FWIW, I don't. That is a step (tiny, I know) in the "software as a > service" direction. I'm a little surprised to see the suggestion that `checking for critical = updates' is objectionable because it's too much like `software as a = service' in your mind. Out of curiosity, do you assemble the pieces of = your operating system by hand and manually check for updates yourself? = Do you think that most GNU/Linux distributions are too much like = `software as a service' for the same reasons? > Does that mean that my Emacs is going to automatically try to > establish a network connection without asking me? Or that I'm gonna be > asked every time? It would mean that the default Emacs would automatically try to = establish a network connection without asking you, yes. If you believe = that the default user is opposed to this, I'll suggest that you might = not have noticed them all voting with their feet in favor of this at = least a decade ago. This isn't even the old `Windows Majority', even - = I can't think of a computing system today that meets the criteria = ``might run Emacs 24.2'' and ``does NOT somehow check the network for = critical updates in the default installation''. *Chad