From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Xah Lee" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4367: 23.1; unable to view this png image Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:37:19 -0700 Message-ID: Reply-To: Xah Lee , 4367@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1253024724 15053 80.91.229.12 (15 Sep 2009 14:25:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:25:24 +0000 (UTC) To: "Xah Lee" , "Eli Zaretskii" , <4367@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 15 16:25:17 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MnYy3-0003OJ-2y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:25:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58296 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MnYy2-0000Ud-Fr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:25:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnHW0-0002nc-SB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:47:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnHVv-0002m1-B7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:47:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33913 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MnHVv-0002lj-3S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:33847) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MnHVu-0000Uv-IB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8EJl0Po000623; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:47:00 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n8EJj4Oq032699; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:45:04 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:45:04 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: "Xah Lee" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:45:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4367 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4367-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4367.125295706431508 (code B ref 4367); Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:45:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4367) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Sep 2009 19:37:44 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Xah wrote: >. For example, Visual Basic and PHP today are perhaps the most used=20 >languages if one count the pencentage of number of programers for these=20 >langs. I meant to say, yet these people downloads FSF's emacs for Windows, and=20 there's no php mode or visual basic mode by default. To these poeple, "em= acs=20 sucks" right there. This clause is just meant to support my view that DLL for images should b= e=20 included. I don't mean to start to argue about why php mode or visual bas= ic=20 mode are not included by default or any philosophy. This is probably my last message on this particular bug report. Thanks. Xah ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Xah Lee" To: "Eli Zaretskii" ; <4367@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com> Cc: Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:30 PM Subject: Re: bug#4367: 23.1; unable to view this png image > Hi Eli & other GNU Emacs developers, > > perhaps this is controversial... but doesn't FSF people want GNU Emacs = to=20 > be working out of the box on Windows? > > it is trivial to include the dll libs for images. > > The other recent bug is about ftp not working out of the box on GNU Ema= cs=20 > binary for Windows downloaded from FSF site, whereas Lennart's EmacsW32= =20 > distribution includes a Open source ftp binary that fixed the problem. > > I feel that it would be great for all features of emacs work out of the= =20 > box as much as possible for platforms that are supported by FSF. > > Since FSF does develope a version of emacs that works for Windows... i=20 > don't understand if there is a reason to not include these DLLs? > > The only reason i can think of is that perhaps FSF prefer emacs to be w= ork=20 > well for GNU/Linux and does not take extra steps to make it work as wel= l=20 > for =E2=80=9Cnon-free=E2=80=9D Windows. If this is the reason to not in= clude image library=20 > DLLs for Windows, i feel this perhaps damaging to the spread of FSF=20 > philosophy, since many Windows people who tries emacs and just find it = not=20 > working in many situations. For example, Visual Basic and PHP today are= =20 > perhaps the most used languages if one count the pencentage of number o= f=20 > programers for these langs. > > btw, I should mention this message is just meant to address this image = dll=20 > issue pertaining this bug report, not meant to argue about philosophy o= r=20 > best approach to FSF philosophy. I feel that a binary version of Emacs = for=20 > Windows downloaded from FSF's official site and not able to open image=20 > files is something like a show-stopper bug. > > Thanks. > > Xah > =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ > > =E2=98=84 >=20