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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x23-20020a05620a099700b0069e5cd89332sm2440442qkx.77.2022.04.23.10.22.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:22:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83o80rohxu.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:230510 Archived-At: On Apr 23, 2022, at 12:58 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > These are all very complex technical issues, and I'm not sure the > right way of letting users customize Emacs in these respects is to > expose all that complexity and advertise it. We should try finding > easier, more self-explanatory, customization means and options. > Emacs 28 is the first > release to include a decent support for Emoji, and we are still > collecting user experience about what we have. Agreed. Fundamentally I think some script or other collection mechanism that covers "emoji" is what's needed. I think what's in Emacs 28 is trying to do that and at least for this mac user still falls short. > NEWS describes what we think is the correct setup for Emoji. I'm > still not convinced that telling users to customize the font for > 'symbol' is a good idea, especially since we prefer symbols and > punctuation to be displayed by the default font as much as possible. I'm still not clear on this. With the set-fontset-font calls I describe I see punctuation (; . ! etc) in Menlo (the font I put in the default and fixed-pitch faces). I assume this is because use-default-font-for-symbols is t which is the default. So at least on my system this preference works out just as desired. > Maybe this contradicts what macOS users expect, but macOS is not the > main platform we want to support. Understood but it's still a platform you do support. > As for mentioning the fonts for which we set up by default -- there > are others in the default fontset, and I don't see why those two are > to be treated specially. OTOH, mentioning all of them would be too > much, because there are many, and they differ by platforms. We should > instead strive to make the default setup work seamlessly for everyone, > IMO. Agreed, but the mac platform is confounded because you can't mention or pre-configure the default font to be used in this case, which is fine. So all I'm asking for is some documentation someplace that would lead a mac user to the correct incantation or some description of the possible limitations encountered. In the absence of "easier, more self-explanatory, customization means and options" this seems like the most reasonable stopgap. Howard