From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Devin Prater Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using R-mail in Emacs Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:40:35 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86va7afpda.fsf@zoho.com> <83musmktmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2hxstkw.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <837ejplc7p.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhwlzct5.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0tgh6rx.fsf@hornfels.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <871s9wh1d3.fsf@hornfels.zedat.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536921544 5309 195.159.176.226 (14 Sep 2018 10:39:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Loris Bennett Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 14 12:39:00 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0lV5-0001Gb-SC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:39:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50983 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0lXC-0008UK-H0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:41:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36883) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0lWh-0008T2-91 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0lWg-0004aI-6j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:40:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]:42643) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0lWg-0004Zs-0r for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:40:38 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id j8-v6so4567439ybg.9 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:40:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=7UdtLJK6mfa6a5O/Gi8mnsvWO6ek+wF3kBcAcwy069I=; b=oZZ1bjZBCatO4OZB0+9amahrfZwXBaMxJhL/9lmpuz+Qmwlqnnve/b6oeb0m6WNwOb vyFEgV5FlLYQAx9HjHr+VHzji2g4BDheUq7HntGPtSimL5sDdLc7lt0WCd2QmQq38oXA L/xlq6+kyvEN1mCBz+7xuYm7cD38MJ5cckEG3ZrjxDOV4rREt317RFoPqFjpdFolV31z uwKIQmSUiNvTOeFFNlQQjGOWJLWMtB5a1T4RgSeUi34ex19koVwtEp06rsVbtCn2LriQ /dgt5L1ADR1jLNDUoHfzb3TG4PIRX5SSoO5REyd3qzjhxWizz4fwUAypSneNprDgtOzq oW4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=7UdtLJK6mfa6a5O/Gi8mnsvWO6ek+wF3kBcAcwy069I=; b=seVU22vFXejme2WFTrnDb+1z3QO4EHII61ZRmR8uB8W/5lUmjtLBrmoUFi7fb4L322 kJYE2tx2xCVUMzEqLuDKVt6yDqavj6+iPKvtp4A9MmASk4/KikeI/8FnYDxpTvW8bIVI Kt83H/B25EgLk20Ss3ldZBwyKTQkaBusG6GXYKoIB4c1aOXpyGSBoE2pZgZyq2q+Davm q+5q5y2zxzItY2nvawHQBStYTJBtNtMZTlFRY0BDj7l3S806fm7ZjbdzAM1qcI/FYZV6 hWFNhpSZKOy571EgLLA+LuG2w/VVGv99op5sIohkt0Ak1m3dckYzC9HbPRqbAOnXFOWG C5sg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51D9auje+Gm69kqxkNKHwJjGZPen2dROf1899MUGHJju8HfG1XJJ MpG8BFoVxjdIRBUPGWMRmyO6hjW4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdY37tnuXpjNrHOtn8RbgjSJZF/7HOKmaHFslvDkGSeWGvsXRj1oH+uJMjcUEK/ek1rKeh2nvw== X-Received: by 2002:a5b:d51:: with SMTP id f17-v6mr5236526ybr.330.1536921637066; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?IPv6:2600:6c58:7300:38ef:e83d:1a73:cb31:6124? (2600-6c58-7300-38ef-e83d-1a73-cb31-6124.dhcp6.chtrptr.net. [2600:6c58:7300:38ef:e83d:1a73:cb31:6124]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 84-v6sm2480491ywo.15.2018.09.14.03.40.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:40:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16A366) In-Reply-To: <871s9wh1d3.fsf@hornfels.zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:117905 Archived-At: I'm still looking for a good way to use Gnus. I have a few email addresses, a= nd putting in all the server info is quite a bit of work compared to other,n= on-Emacs clients, like Gmail, Apple Mail, and even Outlook. They look at the= @domain, like @gmail.com, in the Email Address, and just get the server inf= o from that, and its good. I know that many probably use their own mail server, or do some mystical Ema= cs stuff to make it faster, but as a person who has come from the GUI all hi= s life, but also loves the simple genius of a UI and UX that Emacs offers, I= 'd love to have the option to streamline all this, kind of like the setup fo= r ZSH, which is just awesome.,=20 Devin Prater Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind JAWS certified=20 > On Sep 14, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Loris Bennett wr= ote: >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 >>> From: "Loris Bennett" >>> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:34:10 +0200 >>>=20 >>>> The oldest email in my INBOX is from 18 years ago, and I still need it >>>> from time to time. I guess time-based expiration is not for me. >>>=20 >>> The default is for articles not to expire - you have to mark an email >>> explicitly as expirable for it to get deleted at some point. >>=20 >> If that is true (Robert seems to say it isn't by default), then Gnus >> is not different from Rmail, where I explicitly delete messages I >> don't want to keep (and filing them to an archive folder by default >> marks it as deleted), and then expunge my INBOX once a week to >> physically remove those marked for deletion. >=20 > I think Robert is incorrect here. In the documentation here >=20 > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Expiring-Mail.ht= ml >=20 > it says >=20 > "Gnus will not delete your old, read mail. Unless you ask it to, of > course." >=20 >>> Does an email from my wife about school need to be filed in "family" >>> or "school"? >>=20 >> At worst, you will have to search both folders, which is still better >> than searching all of them. And when that happens, it's an >> opportunity to rethink the way you organized your folders. >>=20 >>> For this reason I find myself thinking that just one or two folders >>> with a good search mechanism would be a more flexible solution. >=20 > The above is, indeed, me rethinking. >=20 >> When you have a good idea what is you are searching form, >> i.e. remember some unique phrase or some other attribute, then folders >> are entirely irrelevant, because you can search all of your archives >> in milliseconds. Folders are only of help when you don't have a good >> idea what to search for, and only a very vague recollection of the >> issue you want to find. >=20 > My problem is that there doesn't seem to be a pure IMAP solution for > Emacs with which I can search 'in milliseconds'. A worst case for me is > more like 10 seconds, although ultimately I can also live with that. >=20 >>> PS: Eli, shouldn't that 18-year-old mail in your INBOX have been filed >>> away into one of your two dozen folders by now =F0=9F=98=89? Or is it ma= ybe one of >>> those tricky corner-cases =F0=9F=98=85? >>=20 >> Filing mail away means it's out of sight. There are things I don't >> want to be out of my sight, ever. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Loris >=20 > --=20 > This signature is currently under construction.